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JamesMac

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27. Lawless in America

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 11:22 AM

Aug 2014

Here is what really galls me. Obama has had time to think this through, to measure his words, to assess the evidence, to weigh the pros and cons and to have it vetted by PR people. It didn't work. This is tantamount to dismissing a girl's rape as "boys will be boys."

Despicable.

Moreover, he has had time to weigh the 9/11 evidence, to weigh the NSA surveillance program, to weigh the use of drones and to review the outing of Valerie Plame. And done nothing.

At least I can write off Bush as a zealous idiot who was lead down his twisted merry path by people possibly more evil than him. But, I know this. Obama is no idiot.

At least with Bush we got what I knew we would get when he was placed in office. My hopes with Obama were so high.

So, which is worse? A zealous idiot or an informed professor of law? It all seems so much the same to me now.

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"My Head Exploded When Obama Sanctimoniously Said, 'We Tortured Some Folks'" [View all] WilliamPitt Aug 2014 OP

I read this elsewhere already. good stuff! m-lekktor Aug 2014 #1

I'm trying to imagine what your head did azureblue Aug 2014 #202

You don't need to try to 'imagine' what Democrats did when Cheney/Bush sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #225

rec! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #2

Poor choice.. doxydad Aug 2014 #3

Poor choice of actions, too LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #9

What was it you would have Obama do? doxydad Aug 2014 #12

Simple ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #22

This argument that it is too hard LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #84

Totally agree with you in your statements. Just yesterday, I truedelphi Aug 2014 #104

Well stated: chervilant Aug 2014 #224

It is not really simple at all.There is a choice that has to be made. truedelphi Aug 2014 #105

Lol...the only thing you left out is BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #134

Yes, let's all accept TORTURE so Obama doesn't look bad BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #164

Hi Brother Ivan. truedelphi Aug 2014 #171

Thanks BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #194

Oh, he doesn't just look bad BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #190

"Calf's brains marinated delete_bush Aug 2014 #168

No, alas BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #170

Who the hell is Frank Schaeffer? And Huffington loads a person's computer up truedelphi Aug 2014 #172

he's a raving loon whose dad used to be a religious right leader m-lekktor Aug 2014 #192

Thanks for the explanation. Glad I saved my computer the extra cookies truedelphi Aug 2014 #244

"You and your crowd" not divisive at all bobduca Aug 2014 #191

Best-selling author? chervilant Aug 2014 #226

How difficult do you think it would have been for Obama to not say what he said? cui bono Aug 2014 #167

Restated: How easy it was to say what he said erronis Aug 2014 #174

Not make excuses Akira Watts Aug 2014 #23

Yeah..but... doxydad Aug 2014 #37

Mistakes Akira Watts Aug 2014 #44

Hear, Here! 2banon Aug 2014 #85

We "tortured" some folks, move on BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #86

This president is known for his great speeches, his command of the language. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #116

Not make excuses for torturers, maybe? Distant Quasar Aug 2014 #34

+1 LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #89

True azureblue Aug 2014 #51

why was there a need for Ford to pardon Nixon? bigtree Aug 2014 #66

Bush in hiding? He's out there giving awards to Derek Jeter. There's talk of him becoming Demit Aug 2014 #227

how are 'neo-hawks' tying the Justice Dept.'s hands? bigtree Aug 2014 #56

Great post, but it made me sick to read it BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #92

A lack of political will has long been the bane of this Administration. Now a lack of ... Scuba Aug 2014 #223

Admit unequivocally that it wrong and that they were not "just doing their jobs" alarimer Aug 2014 #74

But they're not even getting a low mark. They're being called Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #146

Oh, I don't know LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #80

The same "helpless" excuse BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #83

Obama's hands are NOT tied. He can do whatever he wants to do and frankly, he is required by law Welibs Aug 2014 #94

Well, DUH derby378 Aug 2014 #136

I would start prosecuting those that physically did the torturing and work up the line. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #140

If there is a 9/11... CubicleGuy Aug 2014 #77

That's why they pulled Enthusiast Aug 2014 #120

Deliberate choice of words. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #20

Even worse choice of a Presdient. n/t DeSwiss Aug 2014 #58

You better believe those words were chosen with the utmost care and they still failed. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #139

Yep...We are Americans and We Tortured Some Folks...Let's not get Sanctimonious KoKo Aug 2014 #4

+1 Preach it bro. L0oniX Aug 2014 #33

Besides, "we don't look back, we go forward"....remember? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #65

By those standards, no crime should ever be prosecuted. After all, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #148

"Don't get sanctimonious" sounds a lot like "eat your vegetables". Marr Aug 2014 #5

Who is this 'we' who should not get all 'sanctimonious' about torture? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #8

He was talking to his base... ReRe Aug 2014 #31

I definitely got that impression also, but we are being told we are 'making stuff up' sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #36

He continues to throw the left under the bus as he has from the start. L0oniX Aug 2014 #32

They want our votes, though. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #121

to me, "sanctimonious" = "Get over it" (election 2000) grasswire Aug 2014 #62

There are some things even the most ardent supporter of any politician should not be sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #71

+1 BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #95

I'd like to know what he supposedly meant by the sanctimonious remark Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #149

K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #6

It sickened me. cwydro Aug 2014 #7

The whole excuse souds like mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #10

torture did not make me feel better magical thyme Aug 2014 #21

I can only speak for myself, but... mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #38

It seemed to make Dick Cheney and his bros feel better, and, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #150

He's a nonperson to me now. ballyhoo Aug 2014 #11

When you look forward, you don't have to worry about the consequences of your own actions. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #13

The Government Is Breaking the Law By Failing to Prosecute Torture Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #14

But those who fail to prosecute are patriots under pressure. IDemo Aug 2014 #17

The link gives a pretty good legal background Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #19

Folksy? IDemo Aug 2014 #25

priggish folks? Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #40

by not prosecuting he is committing obstruction of justice questionseverything Aug 2014 #35

he is committing obstruction of justice Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #106

President Obama`s statement on torture sickened me. democrank Aug 2014 #15

Attempts to appease have become abetting. JEB Aug 2014 #16

Those "patriots" have done much damage to the USA. JEB Aug 2014 #18

How is It Ccarmona Aug 2014 #42

So loaded... chervilant Aug 2014 #228

Good point about political capital gratuitous Aug 2014 #24

I can't help but think about the many in our prisons stupidicus Aug 2014 #26

Well, President Obama appointed truedelphi Aug 2014 #236

yep, just one big happy family stupidicus Aug 2014 #239

Tnhanks for the link. truedelphi Aug 2014 #240

you're welcome stupidicus Aug 2014 #241

Lawless in America JamesMac Aug 2014 #27

The government political puppet show is entertainment for the ruling corporations and 1%. L0oniX Aug 2014 #30

Can't say I disagree in the slightest with what you are writing. truedelphi Aug 2014 #243

The really sickening thing is the political sychophants whom accept it Corruption Inc Aug 2014 #28

^this^ L0oniX Aug 2014 #29

Interesting times we live in, as I came to the conclusion that nothing will get better, ever. Amonester Aug 2014 #41

Yeppers... chervilant Aug 2014 #229

The reason that the monsters aren't being tried is that too many Democrats signed off on it. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #39

That's exactly the reason Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #67

Flat Truth. Plain Spoken. johnlucas Aug 2014 #111

Tortured children, too. Octafish Aug 2014 #43

they raped children in front of their "folks" questionseverything Aug 2014 #78

I am going to link to your post from now on. BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #101

we can't questionseverything Aug 2014 #102

It was even more horrifying than I knew BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #103

Deja Vu... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #109

"Battle not with monsters lest ye become one." CrispyQ Aug 2014 #112

Jesus Christ, I feel sick. Those patriots don't look afraid to me. SMC22307 Aug 2014 #233

These "patriots" were just doing their job. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #88

What better way to show your anger over torture LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #45

Blame Akira Watts Aug 2014 #49

We hear what we want to hear LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #50

Interpretation Akira Watts Aug 2014 #59

What dishonesty LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #98

If he doesn't do something about it, he IS responsible for future administrations sibelian Aug 2014 #213

I felt it was his way EC Aug 2014 #46

Then he is "humanizing" those doing the torturing, too: deurbano Aug 2014 #69

I just don't agree I guess. EC Aug 2014 #81

People Akira Watts Aug 2014 #91

k&r... spanone Aug 2014 #47

What gets me are the torture apologists on DU. Rex Aug 2014 #48

I have to admit, I'm shocked BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #166

^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Aug 2014 #235

Obama is scared of the CIA Billy Budd Aug 2014 #52

Look what they did to JFK. Rex Aug 2014 #54

I swear I was going to say that about JFK Billy Budd Aug 2014 #60

He wanted to get rid of the CIA and MIC. Rex Aug 2014 #126

He could have found a better word than "folks". ladjf Aug 2014 #53

That word used by pols makes my skin crawl. Who can forget Bush post 9-11 using folks to describe snagglepuss Aug 2014 #55

My stomach & heart did something strange... ReRe Aug 2014 #57

Why bother having a Constitution..... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #61

The only part of the Constitution that many seem to care about is the 2nd Amendment. Contrary1 Aug 2014 #68

And ashes to ashes...... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #72

It's not a constitution; it's a "serving suggestion." OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #93

Another 9/11-related rabbit hole to avoid whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #63

Truth Caretha Aug 2014 #197

It's a German word meaning "People" with a connotation of "Common People" in the U.S. Zen Democrat Aug 2014 #64

Additionally 90-percent Aug 2014 #70

Well don't get too sanctimonious about it LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #99

Geez, mistakes happen. Move on. Vattel Aug 2014 #73

. Iggo Aug 2014 #97

I'm sorry you Caretha Aug 2014 #198

Thanks for the compliment Caretha. Vattel Aug 2014 #200

Jeez, Will, what are you upset about? Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #75

......... steve2470 Aug 2014 #76

Bye. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #79

So? chervilant Aug 2014 #230

Yeh, I know the feelin', for sure. Zorra Aug 2014 #82

my question. when do the congressional hearings into torturegate start? spanone Aug 2014 #87

Sorry, Frank Church is dead and the Republicans are controlling the House at the moment. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #203

yet they voted 54 times to deny healthcare for americans spanone Aug 2014 #212

If he used strong wording then he would be considered Partisan. athenasatanjesus Aug 2014 #90

So the fuck what? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #100

Really? Caretha Aug 2014 #199

They were just following orders. Iggo Aug 2014 #96

People upset over the word "folks" are about as disingenious as it gets. phleshdef Aug 2014 #107

Yeah, that's the whole problem. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #108

No, the real problem is, you, just like the right wingers who have been pissed off about the torture phleshdef Aug 2014 #110

So I'm Liz Cheney. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #113

Well, you are both expressing disingenious outrage over the President stating a fact regarding... phleshdef Aug 2014 #114

'Fact'? You think it's a 'fact' that the torturers were 'real patriots'? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #117

I think its a fact that "we tortured some folks". phleshdef Aug 2014 #122

Facts Akira Watts Aug 2014 #124

Then you ought to read beyond the titles of threads before responding to them muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #128

Get over yourself. phleshdef Aug 2014 #129

Is "just following orders" back on the table as a defense now? Akira Watts Aug 2014 #131

No. But it certainly changes the dynamic. phleshdef Aug 2014 #132

Not only that but apparently if Bush can't be prosecuted then they all should get rhett o rick Aug 2014 #137

No one is ever going to be prosecuted for torture. phleshdef Aug 2014 #142

Well that's special that you've accepted it. For some of us it's harder than just rolling over. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #144

I'm not dumping my principles. I'm just an adult who accepts that the world doesn't always work... phleshdef Aug 2014 #152

Look at me everybody, I'm a torturer enabler! sibelian Aug 2014 #216

No, there's nothing about it being people "doing what they were basically told to do" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #141

I reject your lectures. Get the fuck over it. phleshdef Aug 2014 #143

Making things up won't help you convince anyone with a brain or conscience (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #147

WTF did I make up? phleshdef Aug 2014 #153

la la la! sibelian Aug 2014 #217

No one can lecture Caretha Aug 2014 #201

Well you SHOULD have been voting for Obama to prosecute Bush, shouldn't you? sibelian Aug 2014 #215

ROFLMAO!! KamaAina Aug 2014 #130

FYI Will: This post was alerted on - Jury results: 11 Bravo Aug 2014 #133

We can't open that thread. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #138

Can't read the link WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #165

You need to cut'n'paste the jury results. The link is to your pm. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #177

So the "real problem" is Will? As if he is the only one with this opinion. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #145

I'll throw you in that boat too. You folks are just looking for something to get pissed off about. phleshdef Aug 2014 #154

If that makes life easier for you, feel free. Much easier than dealing with the truth. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #156

I'm not "okay" with it. I just accept reality. phleshdef Aug 2014 #176

"I just accept reality." Quoth the Apologist for Real Reality-Based Reality bobduca Aug 2014 #181

Yea, a lot of people want things they will never have. phleshdef Aug 2014 #182

Like justice bobduca Aug 2014 #185

And what do you want? Forgive and forget? nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #209

And you understand "reality" while philosophers have been struggling with it for centuries. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #207

Are us folks in the same set of folks who are torture worthy? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #178

No one is torture worthy. phleshdef Aug 2014 #179

Paging Dr Freud! sibelian Aug 2014 #218

Wow... chervilant Aug 2014 #234

No. It's not. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #151

fuck that false equivalence bullshit bobduca Aug 2014 #180

+1000! 6000eliot Aug 2014 #208

he's just looking for the kind of attention he had during the bush admin on DU.... dionysus Aug 2014 #210

LOL, wow, are you missing the whole point. nt Logical Aug 2014 #118

Folks Akira Watts Aug 2014 #119

I say "folks" all the time. I grew up in So. WV, its just one of those words I'm use to I guess. phleshdef Aug 2014 #123

Folks Akira Watts Aug 2014 #125

I've heard Obama use the word "folks" constantly for the past 7 years. phleshdef Aug 2014 #127

Annnnnd you are totally off the point. Apparently intentionally. It isn't the word. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #161

re: Apparently intentionally... bobduca Aug 2014 #188

willfully pretending that this an a regionalist assault on your choice of pronouns... bobduca Aug 2014 #183

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #184

Only trying to match the bloated fecundity of your posts... bobduca Aug 2014 #186

You are trying way too hard. phleshdef Aug 2014 #187

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Aug 2014 #206

Thank You! HangOnKids Aug 2014 #238

That word "disingenuous"... sibelian Aug 2014 #214

Seems likely you should review the definition of disingenuous... chervilant Aug 2014 #231

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. President is a scoundrel on this subject muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #115

I wanted to write what I thought of the President's speech but this article did it much better. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #135

this is an epic DU thread. bigtree Aug 2014 #155

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http://www.supportgenevaconventions.org/images/torture_in_iraq.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #157

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20101027/lotfi_morteza20101027125134403.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #158

http://www.thecontrarianmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/iraq-torture-dogs-thumb-tm.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #159

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2435/3619890622_1a0537ef42.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #160

Hey, look! it's some folks! Dead, tortured folks. Dead and tortured in our name. myrna minx Aug 2014 #173

If he had acted MFM008 Aug 2014 #163

Those "folks" go free and people like Maureen Clare Murphy TBF Aug 2014 #169

knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #175

I was such a chump, at my age, to be sucked in by him. Peregrine Took Aug 2014 #189

TAKE ACTION: Here's what experts in the field want the public to do. proverbialwisdom Aug 2014 #193

torture, wall street criminals, spying, offshoring, H1B, patriot act, Israeli violence whereisjustice Aug 2014 #195

K and R (nt) bigwillq Aug 2014 #196

Impossible To Defend The Indefensible cantbeserious Aug 2014 #204

is there a worse crime than torture? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #205

murder? OTT but yes there is. dionysus Aug 2014 #211

Right! They did that, too:( grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #220

K&R emsimon33 Aug 2014 #219

You know when you've been told that torturers are "patriots" that the criminals and scoundrels gtar100 Aug 2014 #221

K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #222

Gee, Will... chervilant Aug 2014 #232

Truth, however awful it may be. Obstruction of justice. PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #237

Mine didn't at all quaker bill Aug 2014 #242