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I read this elsewhere already. good stuff! m-lekktor Aug 2014 #1
I'm trying to imagine what your head did azureblue Aug 2014 #202
You don't need to try to 'imagine' what Democrats did when Cheney/Bush sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #225
rec! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #2
Poor choice.. doxydad Aug 2014 #3
Poor choice of actions, too LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #9
What was it you would have Obama do? doxydad Aug 2014 #12
Simple ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #22
This argument that it is too hard LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #84
Totally agree with you in your statements. Just yesterday, I truedelphi Aug 2014 #104
Well stated: chervilant Aug 2014 #224
It is not really simple at all.There is a choice that has to be made. truedelphi Aug 2014 #105
Lol...the only thing you left out is BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #134
Yes, let's all accept TORTURE so Obama doesn't look bad BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #164
Hi Brother Ivan. truedelphi Aug 2014 #171
Thanks BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #194
Oh, he doesn't just look bad BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #190
"Calf's brains marinated delete_bush Aug 2014 #168
No, alas BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #170
Who the hell is Frank Schaeffer? And Huffington loads a person's computer up truedelphi Aug 2014 #172
he's a raving loon whose dad used to be a religious right leader m-lekktor Aug 2014 #192
Thanks for the explanation. Glad I saved my computer the extra cookies truedelphi Aug 2014 #244
"You and your crowd" not divisive at all bobduca Aug 2014 #191
Best-selling author? chervilant Aug 2014 #226
How difficult do you think it would have been for Obama to not say what he said? cui bono Aug 2014 #167
Restated: How easy it was to say what he said erronis Aug 2014 #174
Not make excuses Akira Watts Aug 2014 #23
Yeah..but... doxydad Aug 2014 #37
Mistakes Akira Watts Aug 2014 #44
Hear, Here! 2banon Aug 2014 #85
We "tortured" some folks, move on BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #86
This president is known for his great speeches, his command of the language. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #116
Not make excuses for torturers, maybe? Distant Quasar Aug 2014 #34
+1 LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #89
True azureblue Aug 2014 #51
why was there a need for Ford to pardon Nixon? bigtree Aug 2014 #66
Bush in hiding? He's out there giving awards to Derek Jeter. There's talk of him becoming Demit Aug 2014 #227
how are 'neo-hawks' tying the Justice Dept.'s hands? bigtree Aug 2014 #56
Great post, but it made me sick to read it BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #92
A lack of political will has long been the bane of this Administration. Now a lack of ... Scuba Aug 2014 #223
Admit unequivocally that it wrong and that they were not "just doing their jobs" alarimer Aug 2014 #74
But they're not even getting a low mark. They're being called Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #146
Oh, I don't know LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #80
The same "helpless" excuse BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #83
Obama's hands are NOT tied. He can do whatever he wants to do and frankly, he is required by law Welibs Aug 2014 #94
Well, DUH derby378 Aug 2014 #136
I would start prosecuting those that physically did the torturing and work up the line. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #140
If there is a 9/11... CubicleGuy Aug 2014 #77
That's why they pulled Enthusiast Aug 2014 #120
Deliberate choice of words. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #20
Even worse choice of a Presdient. n/t DeSwiss Aug 2014 #58
You better believe those words were chosen with the utmost care and they still failed. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #139
Yep...We are Americans and We Tortured Some Folks...Let's not get Sanctimonious KoKo Aug 2014 #4
+1 Preach it bro. L0oniX Aug 2014 #33
Besides, "we don't look back, we go forward"....remember? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #65
By those standards, no crime should ever be prosecuted. After all, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #148
"Don't get sanctimonious" sounds a lot like "eat your vegetables". Marr Aug 2014 #5
Who is this 'we' who should not get all 'sanctimonious' about torture? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #8
He was talking to his base... ReRe Aug 2014 #31
I definitely got that impression also, but we are being told we are 'making stuff up' sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #36
He continues to throw the left under the bus as he has from the start. L0oniX Aug 2014 #32
They want our votes, though. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #121
to me, "sanctimonious" = "Get over it" (election 2000) grasswire Aug 2014 #62
There are some things even the most ardent supporter of any politician should not be sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #71
+1 BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #95
I'd like to know what he supposedly meant by the sanctimonious remark Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #149
K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #6
It sickened me. cwydro Aug 2014 #7
The whole excuse souds like mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #10
torture did not make me feel better magical thyme Aug 2014 #21
I can only speak for myself, but... mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #38
It seemed to make Dick Cheney and his bros feel better, and, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #150
He's a nonperson to me now. ballyhoo Aug 2014 #11
When you look forward, you don't have to worry about the consequences of your own actions. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #13
The Government Is Breaking the Law By Failing to Prosecute Torture Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #14
But those who fail to prosecute are patriots under pressure. IDemo Aug 2014 #17
The link gives a pretty good legal background Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #19
Folksy? IDemo Aug 2014 #25
priggish folks? Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #40
by not prosecuting he is committing obstruction of justice questionseverything Aug 2014 #35
he is committing obstruction of justice Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #106
President Obama`s statement on torture sickened me. democrank Aug 2014 #15
Attempts to appease have become abetting. JEB Aug 2014 #16
Those "patriots" have done much damage to the USA. JEB Aug 2014 #18
How is It Ccarmona Aug 2014 #42
So loaded... chervilant Aug 2014 #228
Good point about political capital gratuitous Aug 2014 #24
I can't help but think about the many in our prisons stupidicus Aug 2014 #26
Well, President Obama appointed truedelphi Aug 2014 #236
yep, just one big happy family stupidicus Aug 2014 #239
Tnhanks for the link. truedelphi Aug 2014 #240
you're welcome stupidicus Aug 2014 #241
Lawless in America JamesMac Aug 2014 #27
The government political puppet show is entertainment for the ruling corporations and 1%. L0oniX Aug 2014 #30
Can't say I disagree in the slightest with what you are writing. truedelphi Aug 2014 #243
The really sickening thing is the political sychophants whom accept it Corruption Inc Aug 2014 #28
^this^ L0oniX Aug 2014 #29
Interesting times we live in, as I came to the conclusion that nothing will get better, ever. Amonester Aug 2014 #41
Yeppers... chervilant Aug 2014 #229
The reason that the monsters aren't being tried is that too many Democrats signed off on it. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #39
That's exactly the reason Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #67
Flat Truth. Plain Spoken. johnlucas Aug 2014 #111
Tortured children, too. Octafish Aug 2014 #43
they raped children in front of their "folks" questionseverything Aug 2014 #78
I am going to link to your post from now on. BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #101
we can't questionseverything Aug 2014 #102
It was even more horrifying than I knew BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #103
Deja Vu... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #109
"Battle not with monsters lest ye become one." CrispyQ Aug 2014 #112
Jesus Christ, I feel sick. Those patriots don't look afraid to me. SMC22307 Aug 2014 #233
These "patriots" were just doing their job. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #88
What better way to show your anger over torture LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #45
Blame Akira Watts Aug 2014 #49
We hear what we want to hear LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #50
Interpretation Akira Watts Aug 2014 #59
What dishonesty LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #98
If he doesn't do something about it, he IS responsible for future administrations sibelian Aug 2014 #213
I felt it was his way EC Aug 2014 #46
Then he is "humanizing" those doing the torturing, too: deurbano Aug 2014 #69
I just don't agree I guess. EC Aug 2014 #81
People Akira Watts Aug 2014 #91
k&r... spanone Aug 2014 #47
What gets me are the torture apologists on DU. Rex Aug 2014 #48
I have to admit, I'm shocked BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #166
^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Aug 2014 #235
Obama is scared of the CIA Billy Budd Aug 2014 #52
Look what they did to JFK. Rex Aug 2014 #54
I swear I was going to say that about JFK Billy Budd Aug 2014 #60
He wanted to get rid of the CIA and MIC. Rex Aug 2014 #126
He could have found a better word than "folks". ladjf Aug 2014 #53
That word used by pols makes my skin crawl. Who can forget Bush post 9-11 using folks to describe snagglepuss Aug 2014 #55
My stomach & heart did something strange... ReRe Aug 2014 #57
Why bother having a Constitution..... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #61
The only part of the Constitution that many seem to care about is the 2nd Amendment. Contrary1 Aug 2014 #68
And ashes to ashes...... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #72
It's not a constitution; it's a "serving suggestion." OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #93
Another 9/11-related rabbit hole to avoid whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #63
Truth Caretha Aug 2014 #197
It's a German word meaning "People" with a connotation of "Common People" in the U.S. Zen Democrat Aug 2014 #64
Additionally 90-percent Aug 2014 #70
Well don't get too sanctimonious about it LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #99
Geez, mistakes happen. Move on. Vattel Aug 2014 #73
. Iggo Aug 2014 #97
I'm sorry you Caretha Aug 2014 #198
Thanks for the compliment Caretha. Vattel Aug 2014 #200
Jeez, Will, what are you upset about? Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #75
......... steve2470 Aug 2014 #76
Bye. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #79
So? chervilant Aug 2014 #230
Yeh, I know the feelin', for sure. Zorra Aug 2014 #82
my question. when do the congressional hearings into torturegate start? spanone Aug 2014 #87
Sorry, Frank Church is dead and the Republicans are controlling the House at the moment. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #203
yet they voted 54 times to deny healthcare for americans spanone Aug 2014 #212
If he used strong wording then he would be considered Partisan. athenasatanjesus Aug 2014 #90
So the fuck what? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #100
Really? Caretha Aug 2014 #199
They were just following orders. Iggo Aug 2014 #96
People upset over the word "folks" are about as disingenious as it gets. phleshdef Aug 2014 #107
Yeah, that's the whole problem. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #108
No, the real problem is, you, just like the right wingers who have been pissed off about the torture phleshdef Aug 2014 #110
So I'm Liz Cheney. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #113
Well, you are both expressing disingenious outrage over the President stating a fact regarding... phleshdef Aug 2014 #114
'Fact'? You think it's a 'fact' that the torturers were 'real patriots'? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #117
I think its a fact that "we tortured some folks". phleshdef Aug 2014 #122
Facts Akira Watts Aug 2014 #124
Then you ought to read beyond the titles of threads before responding to them muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #128
Get over yourself. phleshdef Aug 2014 #129
Is "just following orders" back on the table as a defense now? Akira Watts Aug 2014 #131
No. But it certainly changes the dynamic. phleshdef Aug 2014 #132
Not only that but apparently if Bush can't be prosecuted then they all should get rhett o rick Aug 2014 #137
No one is ever going to be prosecuted for torture. phleshdef Aug 2014 #142
Well that's special that you've accepted it. For some of us it's harder than just rolling over. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #144
I'm not dumping my principles. I'm just an adult who accepts that the world doesn't always work... phleshdef Aug 2014 #152
Look at me everybody, I'm a torturer enabler! sibelian Aug 2014 #216
No, there's nothing about it being people "doing what they were basically told to do" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #141
I reject your lectures. Get the fuck over it. phleshdef Aug 2014 #143
Making things up won't help you convince anyone with a brain or conscience (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #147
WTF did I make up? phleshdef Aug 2014 #153
la la la! sibelian Aug 2014 #217
No one can lecture Caretha Aug 2014 #201
Well you SHOULD have been voting for Obama to prosecute Bush, shouldn't you? sibelian Aug 2014 #215
ROFLMAO!! KamaAina Aug 2014 #130
FYI Will: This post was alerted on - Jury results: 11 Bravo Aug 2014 #133
We can't open that thread. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #138
Can't read the link WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #165
You need to cut'n'paste the jury results. The link is to your pm. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #177
So the "real problem" is Will? As if he is the only one with this opinion. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #145
I'll throw you in that boat too. You folks are just looking for something to get pissed off about. phleshdef Aug 2014 #154
If that makes life easier for you, feel free. Much easier than dealing with the truth. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #156
I'm not "okay" with it. I just accept reality. phleshdef Aug 2014 #176
"I just accept reality." Quoth the Apologist for Real Reality-Based Reality bobduca Aug 2014 #181
Yea, a lot of people want things they will never have. phleshdef Aug 2014 #182
Like justice bobduca Aug 2014 #185
And what do you want? Forgive and forget? nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #209
And you understand "reality" while philosophers have been struggling with it for centuries. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #207
Are us folks in the same set of folks who are torture worthy? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #178
No one is torture worthy. phleshdef Aug 2014 #179
Paging Dr Freud! sibelian Aug 2014 #218
Wow... chervilant Aug 2014 #234
No. It's not. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #151
fuck that false equivalence bullshit bobduca Aug 2014 #180
+1000! 6000eliot Aug 2014 #208
he's just looking for the kind of attention he had during the bush admin on DU.... dionysus Aug 2014 #210
LOL, wow, are you missing the whole point. nt Logical Aug 2014 #118
Folks Akira Watts Aug 2014 #119
I say "folks" all the time. I grew up in So. WV, its just one of those words I'm use to I guess. phleshdef Aug 2014 #123
Folks Akira Watts Aug 2014 #125
I've heard Obama use the word "folks" constantly for the past 7 years. phleshdef Aug 2014 #127
Annnnnd you are totally off the point. Apparently intentionally. It isn't the word. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #161
re: Apparently intentionally... bobduca Aug 2014 #188
willfully pretending that this an a regionalist assault on your choice of pronouns... bobduca Aug 2014 #183
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #184
Only trying to match the bloated fecundity of your posts... bobduca Aug 2014 #186
You are trying way too hard. phleshdef Aug 2014 #187
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Aug 2014 #206
Thank You! HangOnKids Aug 2014 #238
That word "disingenuous"... sibelian Aug 2014 #214
Seems likely you should review the definition of disingenuous... chervilant Aug 2014 #231
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. President is a scoundrel on this subject muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #115
I wanted to write what I thought of the President's speech but this article did it much better. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #135
this is an epic DU thread. bigtree Aug 2014 #155
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http://www.supportgenevaconventions.org/images/torture_in_iraq.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #157
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20101027/lotfi_morteza20101027125134403.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #158
http://www.thecontrarianmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/iraq-torture-dogs-thumb-tm.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #159
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2435/3619890622_1a0537ef42.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #160
Hey, look! it's some folks! Dead, tortured folks. Dead and tortured in our name. myrna minx Aug 2014 #173
If he had acted MFM008 Aug 2014 #163
Those "folks" go free and people like Maureen Clare Murphy TBF Aug 2014 #169
knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #175
I was such a chump, at my age, to be sucked in by him. Peregrine Took Aug 2014 #189
TAKE ACTION: Here's what experts in the field want the public to do. proverbialwisdom Aug 2014 #193
torture, wall street criminals, spying, offshoring, H1B, patriot act, Israeli violence whereisjustice Aug 2014 #195
K and R (nt) bigwillq Aug 2014 #196
Impossible To Defend The Indefensible cantbeserious Aug 2014 #204
is there a worse crime than torture? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #205
murder? OTT but yes there is. dionysus Aug 2014 #211
Right! They did that, too:( grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #220
K&R emsimon33 Aug 2014 #219
You know when you've been told that torturers are "patriots" that the criminals and scoundrels gtar100 Aug 2014 #221
K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #222
Gee, Will... chervilant Aug 2014 #232
Truth, however awful it may be. Obstruction of justice. PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #237
Mine didn't at all quaker bill Aug 2014 #242
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