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Pholus

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48. "millions of deceased in the aforementioned scenario..."

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 01:55 PM

Aug 2014

If it makes you feel better I said a lot of imaginary prayers in the imaginary memorial I built for them. But I did hurry cause I had to build a new hypothetical memorial for all the victims of "Sharknado" too.

Anyway, wow, what a change for DU! I used to come here to vent about all those conservatives who watched too much "Jack Bauer" and decided that of course you torture the bad guy cause that's how you get things done.

I'm old and feeble after years of those arguments, so I will recycle the primary arguments against the premise of the show "24" by citing the Wikipedia article that those debates created:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticking_time_bomb_scenario

I think the best summary of your "scenario" is in the article appearing alongside the words "artificially simple moral answers"

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On torture: I Trust President Obama [View all] Michigander_Life Aug 2014 OP

I predict greatness for this thread.... Coventina Aug 2014 #1

Thanks Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #5

I think you might be misunderstanding the jury system. Coventina Aug 2014 #12

Activist juries censor unpopular opinions; good juries enforce the community standards Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #18

If you honestly feel that you have been unfairly censored, I recommend you take it up in ATA. Coventina Aug 2014 #24

So have you consider why.... daleanime Aug 2014 #29

Not only that, but those "activist" juries almost always censor RW trolls, socks, and zombies Zorra Aug 2014 #56

Welcome to Democrat Underground! n/t Orsino Aug 2014 #117

Heh, good one! n/t betsuni Aug 2014 #124

Thanks, you too! Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #125

"Activist juries"? WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2014 #17

I thought the same thing... ReRe Aug 2014 #78

He's mad he was PPRed as MichiganDem58... WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2014 #81

"activist juries" Hm... that sounds familiar... where have I heard that before? cui bono Aug 2014 #88

But, but, even Shepard Smith says NO PassingFair Aug 2014 #131

With 17+ Intel agencies, there should be no 'credible threats' leftstreet Aug 2014 #2

I'm sure knowing that the law enforcement are assclowns Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #6

"millions of deceased in the aforementioned scenario..." Pholus Aug 2014 #48

OMG, I finally watched Sharknado last night on Netflix. kas125 Aug 2014 #129

Excellent! Pholus Aug 2014 #133

I really want to see that one, too. kas125 Aug 2014 #134

There is no scenario under which War Crimes, and torture is a war crime, is ever sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #3

Torture teaches a very important lesson - people will say things to stop being tortured. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #4

No doubt Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #8

A lie is not better than nothing - it's worse than nothing. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #13

I don't know about that Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #23

I recommend you read "The Black Banners" by Ali Soufan Coventina Aug 2014 #25

Well I'd like to believe you aren't of a mindset where you would el_bryanto Aug 2014 #64

Please see post #70 n/t DeadLetterOffice Aug 2014 #87

Just as long as no nipples are exposed during the torture. QC Aug 2014 #7

NSFW Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #11

"But that's why we elect our leaders -- to make those decisions"... To break the law!? MrTriumph Aug 2014 #9

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #10

Torture violates the Geneva Conventions, and is a war crime. Anyone who shraby Aug 2014 #14

Instant DU classic! pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #15

That's not an apt comparison. One is a fictional character created by right wingers. The Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #20

Right up there with the Oscar thread...and just as unbelieveable.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #34

The Oscar thread was a lot more enjoyable, and a lot less like turning over a rock. nt Hekate Aug 2014 #118

+1 pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #126

With torture, it is black and white. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #16

yes, one either tortures or they don't. and it DOES NOT work. spanone Aug 2014 #132

Sounds much like a rather melodramatic way of simply saying, "doing the right thing" LanternWaste Aug 2014 #19

No, we elect leaders to honor the constitution and make decisions in the framework of our laws and TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #21

that might be a tough moral quandary if that fantasy existed outside hollywood. unblock Aug 2014 #22

Torture is never justfiable LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #26

Can you show me these posts LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #50

They're all over the place LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #52

you are mischaracterizing what is going on, m-lekktor Aug 2014 #76

No, they aren't LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #80

So you have nothing. laundry_queen Aug 2014 #82

I haven't seen one yet. Please provide something to back up your claim. cui bono Aug 2014 #112

President Obama does deserve credit for using the "T" word stranger81 Aug 2014 #51

nobody is blaming him. just annoyed that he said get over it m-lekktor Aug 2014 #74

I agree on transparency, which the Bush administration lacked. moriah Aug 2014 #27

Wasn't this an episode of 24? Or was it a Bond movie? No wait, it was a Ben Affleck flick.. NightWatcher Aug 2014 #28

Jason Bourne. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #31

Torture always seems to work in movies and on TV. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #33

That was like every episode of 24 bhikkhu Aug 2014 #58

If you trust the President, why would you argue torture is acceptable? BainsBane Aug 2014 #30

The President has banned torture. So, apparently, you don't trust him. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #32

Torture has always been banned / illegal. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #35

Welcome to DU!!! Who were you before? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #37

LOL LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #40

Pretty sure he was that michigandem58 or whatever. morningfog Aug 2014 #47

That's what I thought when I first saw this poster... cui bono Aug 2014 #113

Rationalizing and justifying torture. Iggo Aug 2014 #36

Ho...ly...fucking...christ LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #38

Hey, it's a tough job that this guy has, working hard under enormous pressure and he's a real ... muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #116

. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #39

Has the activist jury weighed in yet? pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #43

I don't know. But I'd trust activist jury members on cyber torture. I mean Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #53

Good one! deurbano Aug 2014 #102

Welcome to DU, Britney geomon666 Aug 2014 #41

You get this . . . Brigid Aug 2014 #65

+1! First thing I though of too n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #71

How many lives have we sacrificed because we didn't torture someone? NightWatcher Aug 2014 #42

"Tortured some folks" AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #44

Flame bait torture apologia. Torture is never okay. morningfog Aug 2014 #45

No, we do NOT elect leaders to do our thinking for us. winter is coming Aug 2014 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #49

My brain just died. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #54

Then you've got something in common with the OP. winter is coming Aug 2014 #59

gotta highlight these threads justifying/advocating torture bigtree Aug 2014 #55

I can't believe on a supposedly Democratic board... TDale313 Aug 2014 #57

No. Never should torture be acceptable. Never. Period. MerryBlooms Aug 2014 #60

The self-rec, always a sign you are destined for greatness. Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #61

Yes, and so far it's the only rec. TDale313 Aug 2014 #68

Well, now there's a second rec, but they're puzzled. cui bono Aug 2014 #91

Lol BainsBane Aug 2014 #114

How much torture do we have to rationalize with hypotheticals to sacrifice morality. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #62

I couldn't find it in a quick google search, but I remember reading about Coventina Aug 2014 #66

What if, what if? Please let's stick to the real world Distant Quasar Aug 2014 #63

I do not elect leaders to give them the authority Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #67

When did President Obama indicate that he would approve torture? GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #69

Yes, Michigan, there HAVE been studies. DeadLetterOffice Aug 2014 #70

WTF??????????????????????? Marrah_G Aug 2014 #72

Oh I suppose you'd be happy with President McCain being in charge of torturing some folks? Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #73

To be fair, having been tortured, TDale313 Aug 2014 #77

I only trust Democrats to torture! m-lekktor Aug 2014 #83

I don't trust anyone who would torture or authorize torture....or excuse it. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #75

But here be the rub Savannahmann Aug 2014 #79

"We elect leaders like President Obama to make the most difficult decisions..."?! mr blur Aug 2014 #84

Yeah, that sounded like the Republican line on elections derby378 Aug 2014 #85

Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch. Who the hell are you again? Hekate Aug 2014 #86

Several people have pointed out that Obama has banned torture BainsBane Aug 2014 #110

Interesting that we had the same hypotheticals come up before Obama was POTUS, cui bono Aug 2014 #89

I trust Obama to use torture responsibly Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #90

What is responsible torture? cui bono Aug 2014 #93

It really strikes at the heart of the problem, blind trust is dangerous. Rex Aug 2014 #104

It's not possible to use torture responsibly. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #94

Seriously, what is responsible torture? cui bono Aug 2014 #109

If it's being done patriotically and under pressure, apparently. historylovr Aug 2014 #128

WTF? " I trust Obama to use torture responsibly" Marrah_G Aug 2014 #130

Obama has stated time and time again that he does not believe in torture Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #92

Do you trust the next President? Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #95

Obama banned torture. Full stop. frazzled Aug 2014 #96

"he will not put previous administration members on trial to satisfy people's anger" Demit Aug 2014 #98

Deaf ears, Demit. sibelian Aug 2014 #100

That you would trust anyone with torture speaks volumes about you. Rex Aug 2014 #97

Not only that, but if you think Obama SHOULDN'T be trusted to use torture responsibly sibelian Aug 2014 #99

That sounds like what wing nuts said about W upaloopa Aug 2014 #101

Anyone who is willing to torture another human being Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #103

With what is currently going on at GITMO.... NCTraveler Aug 2014 #105

Strange is one way to describe it. Iggo Aug 2014 #108

Your scenario sounds like a plot for 24. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #106

You're a real non-sanctimonious patriot muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #107

Ticking time bomb... Orsino Aug 2014 #111

how about we just... don't torture, period. dionysus Aug 2014 #115

UN Convention Against Torture - ratified by USA 1994: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #119

LOL, can't tell if you are serious. nt Logical Aug 2014 #120

Step away from the television. 24 is not a reality show. I repeat 24 is not a reality show Autumn Aug 2014 #121

I read about this thread. In before the pizza. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #122

Oh, I saw this movie betsuni Aug 2014 #123

The OP author would torture the busdriver pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #127

K & Unrec! Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #135