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el_bryanto

(11,804 posts) Tue Aug 5, 2014, 02:27 PM Aug 2014

What is your principal objection to Torture? [View all]

I'm breaking this down into two large categories - obviously most of us will believe that both statements are true - but if you can pick, which one is most important to you?

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	Torture is morally wrong.
	13 (43%)
	Torture doesn't work.
	0 (0%)
	My opposition to Torture rests equally on it being morally wrong and on it's ineffectiveness.
	16 (53%)
	I am not opposed to Torture.
	1 (3%)
	I like to vote!
	0 (0%)
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What is your principal objection to Torture? [View all] el_bryanto Aug 2014 OP

i think i am really 70-30 split on morality-ineffectiveness. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #1

Only pieces of motherfucking shit order, participate in, excuse, justify, and/or condone torture. Iggo Aug 2014 #2

I hear that.... daleanime Aug 2014 #5

Because I'm not a psychopath, my objection is that it's morally wrong. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #3

Psychopath is a strong word - what is your definition of a psychopath? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #7

Personally, I'd say that debating the merits of torture based on it's utility is pretty close. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #11

+1 leftstreet Aug 2014 #18

At the core: lack of empathy. LWolf Aug 2014 #88

It is CRUEL! elleng Aug 2014 #4

If you torture others, others will torture you. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #6

Are you asking me? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #9

It is a rhetorical question. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #10

That's my objection as well. Torture is NEVER to be used in a prisoner situation, napi21 Aug 2014 #27

My answer to the morally objectionable "ticking bomb" canard is this: Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #51

I'm with elleng...it's cruel. You are HURTING someone. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #8

Never thought I'd see a question like this on DU n/t leftstreet Aug 2014 #12

I should make it clear from some of the comments that I oppose torture. NT el_bryanto Aug 2014 #13

It seems only because it is ineffective. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #24

Above 90% el_bryanto Aug 2014 #26

Could workers be tortured into higher productivity? leftstreet Aug 2014 #30

What? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #35

Could empty store shelves be 'national security?' leftstreet Aug 2014 #38

I answered this question above el_bryanto Aug 2014 #39

Your poll you answered "doesn't work". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #48

You really have a problem with reading comprehension sometimes el_bryanto Aug 2014 #54

No, your poll offered a third alternative that encompassed both and you rejected it Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #61

You are really working over time to paint me as pro-torture el_bryanto Aug 2014 #62

So if we could be 90% sure that torturing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's son Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #50

The question answers itself; there is no reason to speculate that a 6 year el_bryanto Aug 2014 #55

No, but Khalid did and child torture is very effective in extracting information from a parent. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #60

OK - well you've had your moment of feeling morally superior el_bryanto Aug 2014 #63

So your principal objection is not "doesn't work". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #66

I see no reason to change my vote, and I won't be bullied into doing it. nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #67

The bar on this issue seems to have been moved a bit to the right. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #28

Or see so many fail the test. n/t Orsino Aug 2014 #90

It's morally wrong. dawg Aug 2014 #14

Unless, of course, Obama is implementing it - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #36

morally wrong, hands down ! nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #15

Once again, may I remind you two pro-torture people KamaAina Aug 2014 #16

Thank you. Two more names added to my ignore list. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #22

AFAIC "doesn't work" is pro torture. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #53

That's not accurate. nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #57

There is only one objection sarisataka Aug 2014 #17

Torture is not only morally wrong and ineffective, IronGate Aug 2014 #19

Thank you marions ghost Aug 2014 #29

Oh yeah? Well someone got some official letters from some lawyers that says it's a-ok... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #31

The Torture Memos, Yoo, Gonzales...it's all there Lars39 Aug 2014 #34

Effectiveness is irrelevant. Torture is morally wrong, as are those who condone it. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #20

It's morally wrong and has no place in a civilised society founded on the rule of law. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #21

“May all that have life be delivered from suffering” ― Gautama Buddha Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #23

Joe Navarro, one of the F.B.I.’s top experts in questioning techniques, told The New Yorker... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #25

If someone kidnapped my child and I was in a position to extract their location Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #32

How many innocent people would you be willing to torture... Iggo Aug 2014 #40

not playing, but thank you for offering Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #58

Hey, it's your ball. Iggo Aug 2014 #59

And waste time hunting down bad leads based on the bogus information you'd get? NuclearDem Aug 2014 #42

Their is a part of me that wants the Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #33

What happens when someone thinks CJCRANE Aug 2014 #37

I'll try to answer this way Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #52

Torture hurts. Zorra Aug 2014 #41

Well, loosen it up a bit. n/t A HERETIC I AM Aug 2014 #65

I can't. Zorra Aug 2014 #68

Are you familiar with the principle that says rock Aug 2014 #43

I'm familiar with that principal but don't believe it to be how el_bryanto Aug 2014 #45

True rock Aug 2014 #46

I oppose torture whether or not it's effective. Shrike47 Aug 2014 #44

My objection is moral. As for effectiveness, I think that's situational. Silent3 Aug 2014 #47

Indeed? Perhaps you should speak with Alan West. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #84

How is your response relevant to what I just wrote? Silent3 Aug 2014 #86

Torture is wrong and the fact that is ineffective just further bolsters the complete wrongness TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #49

It's prone to being ineffective and generating false information nt Matrosov Aug 2014 #56

I have not nor ever will torture anything but myself. BlueJazz Aug 2014 #64

Yet when that torture is for sexual arrousal BainsBane Aug 2014 #69

Meaningless garbage. sibelian Aug 2014 #71

And if that consent is coerced? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #73

I didn't think you'd get a response BainsBane Aug 2014 #92

Good trolling, by the way. sibelian Aug 2014 #72

I would be interested in seeing a link to that. How many people are we rhett o rick Aug 2014 #74

Remember the 50 shades of Grey discussion? BainsBane Aug 2014 #75

But this is a discussion about torture and I don't remember anyone condoning torture even for sex. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #79

Not in this thread BainsBane Aug 2014 #81

Here is her excellent post BainsBane Aug 2014 #91

I am a human being with a functioning moral compass. woo me with science Aug 2014 #70

How about "So they don't torture OUR guys?" Xithras Aug 2014 #76

That's a good argument - it does seem more in the practical rather than moral objections column NT el_bryanto Aug 2014 #78

Tough call. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #77

In the US Go Vols Aug 2014 #80

that is an important issue as well - el_bryanto Aug 2014 #82

My objection to torture, is, that its torture. abakan Aug 2014 #83

I don't condone it, but understand why it is used. Xyzse Aug 2014 #85

Excuse me? Garthem Aug 2014 #87

Folks piss me off. L0oniX Aug 2014 #89