General Discussion

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

33. No....I don't believe Libertarians, and you shouldn't, either. They have too much invested

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:15 PM

Aug 2014

in the narrative that the Democrats and Rethugs are the same.

As for the cables themselves, The Obama Adminstration was completely correct in objecting to universal jurisdiction of a single judge. Spain still had the option of filing in the US, but declined because no one other than one rogue judge supported the indictment.

Do you really think we should be handing over American citizens to any country who claims universal jurisdiction? I don't. That's why we have courts here, and courts where the crimes took place. As a criminal defense attorney, I will tell you that I find the concept of universal jurisdiction to be incompatible with the 6th amendment.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

60 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

FACEPALM: Republicans Had To Explain To GOP Colleagues WHY Torture Is Wrong. [View all] kpete Aug 2014 OP

To be fair... arcane1 Aug 2014 #1

You made me LOL - literally (n/t) gaspee Aug 2014 #3

Right underpants Aug 2014 #4

One time that I agreed with Sen. John McCain SharonAnn Aug 2014 #41

Remember how Republicans thought the TV show "24" should be US policy? underpants Aug 2014 #2

I always wondered whose idea in the Bush admin that piece of propaganda was. I mean it. nt Hekate Aug 2014 #35

I took it as them trying to seem tougher more manly underpants Aug 2014 #37

There are people to this day who believe Miami Vice was real... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #42

And no one bled? underpants Aug 2014 #44

It was another example of the Right claiming they are the heroes to protect us,... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #45

Miami Vice was all kinds of fake... svpadgham Aug 2014 #48

That show was a hoot. They'd come in guns blazing and nobody ever got shot. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #49

Apparently it's no big deal to some "Democrats" here BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #5

Kindly point me to the DUer who thinks torture is no big deal. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #14

~ BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #15

Still waiting for you to point one out. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #20

Anyone who rushes to defend PBO over condemning torture thinks it is no big deal BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #23

Well, to be fair, it's not Obama supporters who brought up the word "folks" as an issue. You cannot msanthrope Aug 2014 #25

We must let those we voted for know that this is not acceptable BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #30

Look....Jonathan Turley is Libertarian who supported impeaching Clinton and msanthrope Aug 2014 #31

Here's Glenn Greenwald and you won't believe him either BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #32

No....I don't believe Libertarians, and you shouldn't, either. They have too much invested msanthrope Aug 2014 #33

Ok BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #36

Agreed, msanthrope. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #39

Here's the latest: sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #16

Difficult to rationalize that link as anything *but* support for torture. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #56

Well, that was the latest I found at that moment. As you can see, there has been no response. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #60

Check out the "I trust President Obama" thread. NM_Birder Aug 2014 #18

Actually, it is....you've got a DUer who signed up last month, pushing the tired Jack Bauer scenario msanthrope Aug 2014 #19

You asked. I answered. I'm right and now you're sour about it ? NM_Birder Aug 2014 #21

Not at all...I'm laughing that you think that's a DUer. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #22

It's clever how you moved the goalposts on that one... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #58

Well, I have never been accused of not being clever....nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #59

They don't pick 'em for brains. Or hearts. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #6

did they explain how it was just folks torturing folks to keep folks safe and free? frylock Aug 2014 #7

Has EVERYONE forgotten that the tortured person will say anything to make the torture stop? CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #8

This^^^ riqster Aug 2014 #29

Talk about tortured logic... Blue Owl Aug 2014 #9

And some still say there's no difference between the D's and R's Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #10

They made a dcoumentary about the long path to this Republican discovery. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #11

But in the Republican version... Jerry442 Aug 2014 #24

I liked on of the replies LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #12

Awful example Android3.14 Aug 2014 #13

presents the concept that they are amoral vs immoral. They just do not know any better dembotoz Aug 2014 #17

Seems we're having to explain it to some fellow DUers TDale313 Aug 2014 #26

I'm glad they spoke out. Marrah_G Aug 2014 #27

Torture isn't wrong according to some here. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #28

According to one retread troll. And a "concern" poster who rec'd that garbage. Ikonoklast Aug 2014 #34

Yeah, well I alerted on that troll... PassingFair Aug 2014 #54

Delicious. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #38

It's a natural defense mechanism, I suppose, if... kentuck Aug 2014 #40

The REASON Republicans believe torture works is because they know they would crack.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #43

The reason torture doesn't work is NOT because the victims are tblue37 Aug 2014 #46

Torture is NEVER used to get information. It's used to get false confessions.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #47

All sorts of people knew it Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #50

America also has a long history of the myth of the ability to beat someone into submission too.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #55

Torture is used to torment, to release sadistic impulses, to behave cruelly. The rest is the excuse. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #52

As I said, someone in the administraction decided they were gonna hurt these people. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #57

Note to all rationalizers: Torture is "wrong" because it is-----wait for it-----TORTURE. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #51

McCain has been pretty strong on torture Enrique Aug 2014 #53