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tblue37

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18. I do believe that the "deep government" has a great deal of power and
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:54 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Tue Aug 5, 2014, 05:45 PM - Edit history (1)

is not answerable to the people or to our elected representatives. I suspect that there are other "actors" within the deep government, but I have no doubt that elements within the intelligence agencies are its major component.

I believe that the president has little control over the operatives in the "deep government," and that in fact those people and agencies are a potential threat to the president and to others in the visible government. I also suspect that those politicians and appointed officials are made to understand the limits of their control (and perhaps even of their safety, whether the threats are made in terms of physical harm or of destroying reputations). J. Edgar Hoover used the FBI and its intelligence-gathering capabilities to control politicians in powerful offices, including presidents and members of the House and Senate.

Politicians like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and other such power-mad war criminals may or may not themselves be driving powers within the deep government, but since they actually approve of the power of the deep government agencies and eagerly pursue the same goals by the same means, there is no conflict between them and such agencies.

But other elected and appointed politicians have only limited (and probably largely cosmetic) control or influence over the goals and behavior of the intelligence community and other actors (which would consist not only of the agencies and actors that we can see, but also of those that are hidden from public awareness).

I have always suspected that Obama is a "stealth" progressive, doing enough sucking up and mollifying on the surface to keep the real Powers That Be from taking more drastic action to block his initiatives. Meanwhile, he moves policy incrementally, until it starts to add up to real progress.

That is what I think has happened in his administration with gay rights, the ACA, the resistance to pressure to get into further military entanglements abroad, etc.

Even the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is an example of this pattern. He wanted that bureau, and he wanted Warren to run it. But although she was able to set it up, and although she (and he) wanted her to head the agency, when Obama realized that there was no way to get her appointment past the Republican obstruction in Congress, he acceded to reality and did not appoint her. But they did get that agency set up, and although the Republican House refuses to fund it in a way that will allow it to do its job properly, I think that Obama believes/hopes that getting the structure established will lay a foundation for its improved functioning down the line.

That is how the ACA has worked, too. It enabled a number of significant improvements right away, but even more important, like Social Security in its early years, the ACA created a benefit that will be difficult for Republicans to snatch away from those who now have it, and it also established a framework for further improvement. SS was also limited in its effective benefits at first, but it was gradually improved over time.

Re: health care: At the time there was no plausible way to get a real single-payer solution—or even a public option—past congressional intransigence, but certain ACA features create opportunities for real improvements, while also making it difficult for Republicans to completely undo the good that has already been done by the law.

ON EDIT: My hyperactive autocorrect changed "deep government" in my subject line to "eel government." I just fixed it.

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a list of the cia's war crimes questionseverything Aug 2014 #1
Some of the folks we tortured were minors. Octafish Aug 2014 #2
they raped the children in front of their parents to make them talk questionseverything Aug 2014 #4
not a counterpunch fan, but, recommended bigtree Aug 2014 #3
what nixon did is nothing compared to this questionseverything Aug 2014 #5
There hasn't been a president in total control of the CIA since....ever. blm Aug 2014 #26
Firing Brennan would require political courage. Maedhros Aug 2014 #6
Well, when you remember what happened to hifiguy Aug 2014 #9
Ding Ding! Both JFK and RFK actually. 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #12
After years of reading countless books hifiguy Aug 2014 #13
+10 n/t 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #19
The official story doesn't support that and is said to be a baseless conspiracy theory as such TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #15
They are and they did. hifiguy Aug 2014 #16
Then burn it if we can and oppose it until we do it is. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #20
The poor guy's patriotic and under a lot of pressure...or, something. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #7
Yeah, I think that message was subliminally communicated to me, too. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #8
Obama and the CIA—who runs Washington? Octafish Aug 2014 #32
The military-intelligence-industrial complex has been accountable hifiguy Aug 2014 #35
K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #10
Who is Watching the CIA? Octafish Aug 2014 #29
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #11
Why this matters: ''Horticulture.'' Octafish Aug 2014 #30
We have an unelected secret part of the government spying on an elected branch of government. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #33
He does not only keep Brennan, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #14
NSA...Booz Allen Hamilton...Carlyle Group...BFEE...our modern day slavemasters. Octafish Aug 2014 #31
Why are both men smiling? Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #17
I do believe that the "deep government" has a great deal of power and tblue37 Aug 2014 #18
Great Post Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #21
Or he could be doing what he is doing because it is his agenda TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #25
An agenda written by Poppy Bush and his cronies when Obama was in grade school? blm Aug 2014 #27
As evidenced by what? If so then all the other stuff has to wait because we are talking existential TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #36
Could not agree more with every word. hifiguy Aug 2014 #22
Here's a bit of "Creative Speculation" KoKo Aug 2014 #23
K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #24
We are getting close to totalitarian showdown time imo. The full spectrum dominance GESTAPO lives. bobthedrummer Aug 2014 #28
He's a slick one.... kentuck Aug 2014 #34
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