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24. As a society we cannot morph

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 05:10 PM

Aug 2014

into the Nazis until we normalize barbarity.

The effort is clear and all around us. Violent police behavior is unchecked.

Fox "News" and the Republican Party are engaged in an incessant effort to pillory the poor and less fortunate. They do everything but call them "useless eaters".

Ultra nationalism is on display before every NFL football game.

FAR RIGHT propagandists dominate radio and their words could never be confused as kind and gentle.

The TV media narrative is tightly controlled right wing misinformation.

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No Exceptional Circumstances Whatsoever... May Be Invoked as a Justification of Torture [View all] bigtree Aug 2014 OP

But..but..what if your neighbor's parakeet had a nuclear bomb hidden in his cage and... Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #1

Seems pretty damn clear. n/t TDale313 Aug 2014 #2

shouldn't be surprised, but I am a little bigtree Aug 2014 #3

Some of those who support it have watched too much TV. zeemike Aug 2014 #11

That's why 24 was created to begin with. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #14

Yes. RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #19

We are immersed in it. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #20

Agreed. But for the most part, I am not. RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #25

I still have some trust in the Christian Science Monitor, bvar22 Aug 2014 #40

Yes! The 4400 was showcasing waterboarding too. Lars39 Aug 2014 #22

As a society we cannot morph Enthusiast Aug 2014 #24

Interesting. Same has been said of Zero Dark Thirty merrily Aug 2014 #56

It always amazed me that no one Jack Bauer tortured ever lied to him. tclambert Aug 2014 #46

You said it! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #13

+ a zillion truebluegreen Aug 2014 #4

What if you are working hard and under enormous pressure, can that be invoked as justification? n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #5

Yes, but only if you are a patriot /nt Dragonfli Aug 2014 #6

Only if you're a "real patriot." kas125 Aug 2014 #12

Well then, Stryder Aug 2014 #30

K & R democrank Aug 2014 #7

Thank you bigtree annabanana Aug 2014 #8

Including fear malaise Aug 2014 #9

yes bigtree Aug 2014 #10

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #15

Oh Plez! No one here wants to excuse torture. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #33

Remember Bush's guys never tortured anyone. They told us so. LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #16

Good point, the Geneva Convention doesn't say "enhanced interrogation" is illegal. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #35

Please include John Yoo in that list. L0oniX Aug 2014 #38

Absolutely. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #39

DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #17

K&R Solly Mack Aug 2014 #18

*Every one* needs to go back and study the Torture Memos and how Bushco made torture legal. Lars39 Aug 2014 #21

Thank you so much bigtree for hammering this issue. johnnyreb Aug 2014 #23

Ditto. Bigtree and I don't see eye to eye on many things, but on this we're in complete agreement. RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #27

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #26

Kicked & Recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #28

Don't tell "Mr. Constitutional Scholar" blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #29

A fucking men Bandit Aug 2014 #31

american exceptionalism noiretextatique Aug 2014 #32

knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #34

Well, except for scared patriots. Scuba Aug 2014 #36

How very, very quaint!! stillwaiting Aug 2014 #37

DURec. bvar22 Aug 2014 #41

Scared and a Patriot bobduca Aug 2014 #50

K&R! DeSwiss Aug 2014 #42

The United States signed, but has never ratified the Convention. n/t cheapdate Aug 2014 #43

More bullshit to support your rationalization of torture. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #48

Swing and a miss! cheapdate Aug 2014 #49

The US ratified the UN Convention in 1994. merrily Aug 2014 #55

Please also see Replies 53, 51 and 55. merrily Aug 2014 #54

We signed and ratified the UN Convention Against Torture, though. merrily Aug 2014 #53

In my defense, cheapdate Aug 2014 #58

It was not a point of fact. Facts are true. merrily Aug 2014 #60

Here's where I looked : I looked at the source link provided in the OP. cheapdate Aug 2014 #61

Okay, but I am not attacking you or requiring you to defend yourself. merrily Aug 2014 #62

I understand that you were'nt attacking me. cheapdate Aug 2014 #63

Dude, let it go already. merrily Aug 2014 #64

I might. cheapdate Aug 2014 #65

Proud to be the 100th rec. ~nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #44

What if they have a dog that barks ALL night Calista241 Aug 2014 #45

K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #47

To be fair, we did merrily Aug 2014 #51

Thank you bigtree for being on top of this issue! neverforget Aug 2014 #52

"We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality" PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #57

What if it's just "folks"? Torturers, torturees... Can't we just let bygones be bygones? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #59