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In reply to the discussion: An Open Letter to Elie Wiesel - Have You No Shame, Sir? [View all]Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)77. that is absolute bullshite -and Nazi Germany did actively support the Jewish settlement in Palestine
Thousands of Palestinians fought on the side of the British during World War II. Though the Mufti clearly did support Hitler as did many nationalist leaders throughout the former colonial world, it would be completely anti-historic to say the Palestinians supported the Nazis. Following that logic the leadership of the Stern Gang and the Irgun who were attacking the British in Palestine while Britain was in a state of war against Nazi Germany would make the Zionist movement partially responsible for the holocaust. But, I would not go that far.
Regarding Nazi Germany support for the Zionist project in Palestine -
This from the Simon Wiesenthal Center - hardly a pro-Palestinian source
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395105
snip:"Germany's Palestine policy between 1933 and 1940 was based on a fundamental acceptance of the post-World War I status quo in the Middle East. For different reasons, the Hitler regime continued in the footsteps of the various Weimar governments by identifying German interests with the postwar settlement in Palestine. That settlement embodied a growing Jewish presence and homeland in Palestine, as well as the establishment of British imperial power over Palestine and the Middle East. It also represented a denial of Arab claims to national self-determination and independence in Palestine and throughout the Middle East. Between 1933 and 1940, German policy encouraged and actively promoted Jewish emigration to Palestine, recognized and respected Britain's imperial interests throughout the Middle East and remained largely indifferent to the ideals and aims of Arab nationalism. (p. 201)"
Snip:"The relationship between Nazi Germany and the Palestine Question of the 1930s is widely misunderstood. Except for a few scholars here and there, this subject lends itself to a pervasive kind of misconception: we tend to read the Nazi policies of World War II back into the 1930s. The Nazis' "Final Solution of the Jewish Question," their pro-Arab attitudes, and their battle against Great Britain makes it difficult for most of us to imagine that before the war the Nazis, even the SS, aided the illegal immigration of Jews into Palestine, and that Hitler so feared British displeasure that he absolutely prohibited German support for the Arabs of the Palestine mandate. Yet this is exactly what Francis R. Nicosia has described and proved in his excellent scholarly study.
Nicosia clearly shows in his impressive introductory chapter that Germany's policy on Palestine remained unchanged from the late Empire through the Weimar Republic. German policy makers supported Zionist efforts because they recognized that Zionism could be an effective instrument of German foreign policy. During the 1930s, the Nazis continued this traditional policy because they wanted to use Zionism and please the British.
snip: Nicosia examines the role of the SS, and it is noteworthy that there was some cooperation between the SS and the Revisionist Zionists in the period 1933-1937. There is of course some logic to this, since the SS recognized that the Revisionists were vigorously pursuing Jewish emigration from Germany to Palestine. This too was the rationale behind the German government's support of the Zionists' agricultural retraining program; incidentally, Nicosia thoughtfully provides a map showing the distribution of the retraining centers (Appendix 11, p. 217). In retrospect, it is difficult for us to imagine that the Nazis encouraged Zionists from Palestine to enter Germany, teach Hebrew, educate German Jews about Palestine, and even display the blue and white Jewish national flag; the Revisionist Zionists even wore uniforms. Clearly this was all done for the promotion of purely German domestic and economic ends, with no concern for the Palestine situation itself.
snip:"Most Arabs never realized that the Nazis viewed them as racially inferior and that Germany was directly responsible for the increase in Jewish immigration during the 1930s. It was the Arabs, especially Palestinian Arab leaders like Haj Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem, who openly made their pro-German feelings known. But Nicosia's analysis of the scholarly biographies of the Mufti shows that these biographies cannot be relied on for an accurate account of Nazi Germany's involvement in Palestine (p. 250, n. 3). Like others, I had relied on these biographies; now I must, however, agree with Nicosia's conclusion that Germany was not involved in the Arab Jewish conflict in Palestine of 1936-1937.
link to full article:
Palestine and Nazi Germany
by Sara Reguer
Francis R. Nicosia. The Third Reich and the Palestine Question. Austin: Texas University Press, 1985. xiv, 319 pages.
link: http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395105
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faking claims of anti-Semitism is not going to work anymore. Give it up
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2014
#65
Coded anti-Semitism ("Jews run the banks and Hollywood") and ignorance of pogroms, WWII, etc.
WinkyDink
Aug 2014
#157
Any one who claims to sum up the situation in Israel in 100 words or less is an idiot.
former9thward
Aug 2014
#173
That 75% also includes many of the soldiers who are part of the occupying army stationed in Gaza...
DesertDiamond
Aug 2014
#128
and spoken in absolute contradiction to his rhetoric of today... Other holocaust survivors are also
hlthe2b
Aug 2014
#18
Not possible for him to respond, sir. Black and white categorization is demanded for effective
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#12
Justifying war crimes and the murder of children will tend to leave a person under a bus.
DanTex
Aug 2014
#6
Thanks for posting a different perspective of Israel/Palestine history from a first hand observer.
lumpy
Aug 2014
#72
Killing and demonizing brown children while saying they celebrate life....sound familiar?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#11
Meaning exactly WHAT? You can't believe he survived his concentration camp years? No, you meant
WinkyDink
Aug 2014
#158
with the massive overcrowding in the ever shrinking Gaza, it is impossible not to
magical thyme
Aug 2014
#26
Have you seen images of what used to be Palestinian lands that are now Israeli lands?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2014
#78
You forgot that time IDF went to court to fight for the right to use Palestinians as human shields.
bravenak
Aug 2014
#129
"About taking land. I understand a country faced with annihilation every day..."
magical thyme
Aug 2014
#144
so the Palestinians can easily walk away from their homes, and give up what little hasn't been stole
magical thyme
Aug 2014
#149
The way some of these people talk one would think it was the Palestinians who ran the death camps.
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2014
#40
that is absolute bullshite -and Nazi Germany did actively support the Jewish settlement in Palestine
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2014
#77
I lost all respect for him when he wrote an editorial urging the invasion of Iraq.
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2014
#45
I was shocked by Wiesel's letter too. He essentially repudiated his great work.
BillZBubb
Aug 2014
#76
I am in total agreement----I taught NIGHT in my HS English classes for 15-20 years
nikto
Aug 2014
#112
I think they would do better to just work together. Otherwise they should ALL move.
bravenak
Aug 2014
#168
Hamas are beyond contemptible scumbags and fundies. That doesn't make Wiesel right.
chrisa
Aug 2014
#165
I learned the truth about Elie Wiesel several years ago from Norman Finkelstein's invaluable work
CrawlingChaos
Aug 2014
#140