What is your principal objection to Torture?

[TheKentuckian]

49. Torture is wrong and the fact that is ineffective just further bolsters the complete wrongness

Therefore torture must ALWAYS be illegal, must always be condemned, can never be tolerated, and the perpetrators and conspirators must always be prosecuted.

If there is some absurd 24 scenario that plays out then fucking President Palmer can fucking pardon Jack Bauer and Jack having been subjected to psychotic behavior to save LA should then be retired from service and provided with a pension, his duty to the nation fully discharged but their is no weekly episode, such a situation would be extraordinarily rare to the point that the pardon should be the only possible check on prosecution other than judge and jury, neither of which is fixing to send Jack away for saving LA either.

There is no justification to codify anything but the illegality of torture and the harshest penalties and no excuse not to prosecute those involved under the sun, fucking zero. If the President believes that circumstances were beyond extraordinary and grave then he can pardon and is within his legal rights to do so but live with what that says about him for good or for ill but he has no standing to ignore it, cannot admit and blow it off, and becomes an accomplice if he does either. We aren't talking petty nonsense, we are in the murder, rape, child molesting tier here but turned up to fucking 11 because of the systematic nature of the sins (at this point crime approaches weak tea). Maybe not up to the ovens and gas chambers level but quickly approaching for sure, raping kids in front of their parents shit is about there, we are just holding back due to quantity at that stage.

Subhuman barbarism at its lowest here not "patriotism", how in the world does one even mouth such despicable and tragically dishonest sentiments? These "folks" are monsters from a hoped and espoused to be horrific and failed past not patriots, patriots do not piss in the mouth of their nations most basic values to do something they know is past wrong and at evil that we have seriously hundreds and thousands of years worth of evidence doesn't work, mostly to get bullshit to help drum up an insane war of choice under the most false of pretexts.