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Fred Sanders

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Tue Aug 5, 2014, 06:36 PM Aug 2014

President Jimmy Carter: "How To Fix It": Ending this war in Gaza begins with recognizing Hamas [View all]

as a legitimate political actor.


"Former President Jimmy Carter once again is getting way out in front of the U.S. government on the Middle East, co-authoring an op-ed in which he calls for Washington to recognize designated terror group Hamas as a legitimate "political actor" -- while blasting Israel for its military campaign in the Gaza Strip.

"The scathing column on ForeignPolicy.com was written by Carter and Ireland's former president Mary Robinson.

The article called the current conflict a "humanitarian catastrophe," and while acknowledging Hamas' "indiscriminate targeting" of Israelis, focused its criticism on Israel.

"There is no humane or legal justification for the way the Israeli Defense Forces are conducting this war," they wrote. "Israeli bombs, missiles, and artillery have pulverized large parts of Gaza, including thousands of homes, schools, and hospitals."

They said "deliberate attacks on civilians" constitute "war crimes" on both sides, though noting far fewer Israelis have been killed in the fighting."

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"Hamas cannot be wished away, nor will it cooperate in its own demise," Carter writes, along with Mary Robinson, in a Foreign Policy op-ed Tuesday. "Only by recognizing its legitimacy as a political actor — one that represents a substantial portion of the Palestinian people — can the West begin to provide the right incentives for Hamas to lay down its weapons."

Also in the op-ed, Carter faults Israel for stonewalling multilateral attempts at peace and for dangerously isolating Palestinians in Gaza, saying the "necessary requirements for a human standard of living continue to be denied." And though he accuses both Israel and Hamas of committing war crimes through their "deliberate" attacks on civilians, he reserves his strongest criticisms for the IDF.


http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/265836/speedreads-jimmy-carter-israel-must-recognize-hamas-as-a-legitimate-political-actor

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/04/how_to_fix_it_jimmy_carter_mary_robinson_israel_palestine_gaza_hamas

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President Carter is saying exactly what many on DU have been saying for a month....is he anti-Israel also? Does he also not "get it"? Does his voice and so many others imperatively need to be suppressed so the killing can continue? Will the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset get his wish for a final ending to the Palestinian problem, send them to concentration camps abroad.....or else?

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I'd say Jimmy Carter has a lot more on the ball upaloopa Aug 2014 #1
I'd say he's lost it Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #59
Welcome to DU Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #74
k&r for James Earl Carter, Jr. Laelth Aug 2014 #2
The seige of Gaza needs to end 4now Aug 2014 #3
The president needs to send Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to sort this out Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #4
Carter, yes -- Clinton, no… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #43
Actually, I was thinking of him more as an adviser to President Carter, LOL Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #45
"Hamas cannot be wished away, nor will it cooperate in its own demise," Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #5
Diplomats? leftynyc Aug 2014 #54
"Kill all Jews" is not in their Charter, more lies. Give it up, Israel's moral failures are clear. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #72
Funny how a "Liberal" will suddenly buy Right Wing propaganda if it's anti-Palestinian. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #77
I think it's cute to use Wolf Blitzer as a reliable source for the truth.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #75
K and R bigwillq Aug 2014 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #7
Fred is a good 'un. RobertEarl Aug 2014 #8
This. hifiguy Aug 2014 #78
Thank you. Too many freaking liberals buying into obvious propaganda...shades of Iraq. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #79
Recognize Hamas? That's absurd. joshcryer Aug 2014 #9
agreed. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #10
No, it's the most logical path to peace. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #11
No it isn't. joshcryer Aug 2014 #13
Hamas just agreed to a unity government with Fatah in the West Bank and were Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #15
They were also supposedly "going to" stop the rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17
When Israel and Hamas were cooperating with each other in 2013 rocket attacks dropped 98% Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #24
That was after "Pillar of Defense." joshcryer Aug 2014 #25
what that does jberryhill Aug 2014 #27
Not really. joshcryer Aug 2014 #32
you were saying "no rockets" right? jberryhill Aug 2014 #37
I don't think it's appropriate at all. joshcryer Aug 2014 #39
Israels kids and PTSD? MFM008 Aug 2014 #53
who gave them a pass? jberryhill Aug 2014 #82
Yes we have, I remember making this post and this should tell you a few things. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #28
The rockets started flying first. joshcryer Aug 2014 #34
On a thread by bigtree. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #35
Yes, irrelevant. joshcryer Aug 2014 #36
Netanyahu's mass retribution turning a tragic crime into an act of war is what escalated both Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #38
Agree. n/t kiranon Aug 2014 #12
They were elected, weren't they? killbotfactory Aug 2014 #14
8 years ago. joshcryer Aug 2014 #16
Regardless, they hold power. What good does ignoring them do? nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #18
The mafia held power at one point. joshcryer Aug 2014 #23
And... ? Lots of governments around the world act like a mafia. nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #26
Hard to call a mafia a government. joshcryer Aug 2014 #31
Yeah, and the US negotiated with them jberryhill Aug 2014 #33
They were about to hold elections after the unity government agreement between Fatah/Hamas and Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #30
Netanyahu doesn't have mind control to make Hamas fire rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #40
Being blockaded in a dense open air prison, Ghetto with a 70% poverty rate creates a powder keg Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #42
Hamas wasn't "triggered" to allow rocket stockpiling. joshcryer Aug 2014 #44
Why not? Their members were being rounded up in mass numbers for the actions of two. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #46
So, they stockpiled rockets for this occasion? joshcryer Aug 2014 #47
If all you have are rocks that's what you stock up on, they have no air force, no navy, no tanks, Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #48
I don't see how rockets help the situation. joshcryer Aug 2014 #50
It's a matter of pride. If you can't stop a well-armed imperial power from destroying your eridani Aug 2014 #51
Look what their pride has gotten them leftynyc Aug 2014 #55
Israel will proceed with mass murder regardless of what they do. eridani Aug 2014 #56
I stopped reading leftynyc Aug 2014 #64
Hamas just joined a unity government that goes against its charter eridani Aug 2014 #65
It was the rockets leftynyc Aug 2014 #66
Hamas joined a unity government that recognizes Israel, period eridani Aug 2014 #67
How lovely (and pointed) leftynyc Aug 2014 #68
The consequences of the rockets have been one casualty, period eridani Aug 2014 #69
They're nothing but a symbol of defiance, but that's all they have. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #52
That's like saying Cliven Bundy and his AK47s are a symbol. joshcryer Aug 2014 #57
Yea, because 1.8 million impoverished people trapped in an open air prison ghetto is like a man that Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #83
Palestine has a right to defend itself. If not Hamas, some form of Palestinian military morningfog Aug 2014 #29
The rockets have zero defensive purpose. joshcryer Aug 2014 #41
But long range artillery into an urban area, armed drones, bombs dropped...all defensive.?..... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #73
Interesting. Quite the contrast to Clinton's recent thoughts on the matter. nt adirondacker Aug 2014 #19
Carter isn't thinking about running for office again. n/t hughee99 Aug 2014 #22
He's right. And had we "recognized" Saddam there would have been no need for invading...BUT kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #20
knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #21
I'll take Jimmy Carter's word for it. He knows more than anybody in the world... Peace Patriot Aug 2014 #49
Let's face it... FarPoint Aug 2014 #58
Carter is wrong and only a moron would do what he suggests. badtoworse Aug 2014 #60
here is a list of morons who have been advocating exactly that for years Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #62
See Post 70. Powell talked about a dialogue with Hamas, not recognition ot its legitimacy. badtoworse Aug 2014 #71
Destruction of "Israel" not the destruction of Jews. It's really about land and resources. kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #63
Hamas has never recognized Israel's right to exist and has always been committed to its destruction. badtoworse Aug 2014 #70
OBVIOUSLY!! To quote a former Israeli Foreign Minister: Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #61
I suppose that could help. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #76
K&R emsimon33 Aug 2014 #80
K&R! G_j Aug 2014 #81
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