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another_liberal

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49. I'll let you in on a secret . . .

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 07:39 PM

Aug 2014

The wealthy and powerful elites who run our country and our government tell self-serving lies almost constantly. They own our mass media and use it to indoctrinate us with propaganda at least as sinister as any produced by any foreign power. Whenever they stand to gain from some new imperialistic adventure (such as taking over Ukraine and looting it for anything worth a dollar) I quickly become suspicious. When I then see our media reporting lockstep to the tune of supporting said imperialistic adventure, my suspicions are confirmed, and I begin to look for sources which don't just parrot the established line. On this issue at least, Russia Today is such an independent source.

If you really resent seeing me use that particular source, maybe my efforts aren't meant for you?

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Yes, it is getting worse still in Eastern Ukraine. [View all] another_liberal Aug 2014 OP

...according to RT...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #1

Have a nice day, my repetitious friend . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #2

I bet if Putin stopped his incursion of sovereign Ukraine it would help matters tremendously. nt Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #3

+1000 maddezmom Aug 2014 #4

You should ask our own government . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #5

America is responsible for Grad rockets but Russia is innocent of the firing of Buk SAMs. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #12

if you set aside your patriotic blinders for a moment reorg Aug 2014 #21

Pretty much proves my point. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #22

Well, your denial is beyond farcical reorg Aug 2014 #24

Russia is pushing itself all across the ME, Africa and elsewere. Why is your condemnation lopsided? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #25

You seem to live in the past reorg Aug 2014 #27

Let us know when you'd actually condemn Russia's incursion into the Ukraine. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #29

But...but....RT says they haven't!!! jeff47 Aug 2014 #30

are you claiming reorg Aug 2014 #37

Nope. jeff47 Aug 2014 #39

Incursion? reorg Aug 2014 #31

You're playing-up the Butcher of Grozny as staging a humanitarian internvention? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #34

you mean like the humanitarian interventionists reorg Aug 2014 #35

That the neocons are duplicitious in no way exonerates Russia's incursion in Ukraine. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #38

Maybe they should go in there and stop the murderous shelling of ethnic Russians! Cayenne Aug 2014 #73

There was no shelling until Putin's stooges violently seceded. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #74

very true nt Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #52

I saw a BBC report that over 200 Ukranian government forces had crossed the border into Russia malaise Aug 2014 #6

And did you see the reporting from phone conversations with the "defectors"? Igel Aug 2014 #7

Are you sure it's really "better?" another_liberal Aug 2014 #10

The one percent controls our media . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #11

War is profitable. The rich make money, the poor dig graves. Emelina Aug 2014 #87

Not defected - they ran out of ammunition fighting the rebels muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #13

Thanks for the link maddezmom Aug 2014 #15

Thanks for the update n/t malaise Aug 2014 #16

says the Ukrainian spokesperson for Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council (SNBO) reorg Aug 2014 #19

One may imagine the corollary is true also... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #20

not at all, you can use all sources while keeping in mind their likely bias reorg Aug 2014 #23

No, says the soldiers the BBC interviewed in Russia, and the Russian officer there muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #28

And it will get worse yet. Igel Aug 2014 #8

I guess that pesky UN Charter no longer applies then? another_liberal Aug 2014 #9

I Suspect They Actually Strike Home Pretty Well, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #14

You know nothing about me, Magi . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #32

Extremely Lame, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #36

Yeah, maybe so . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #40

And Yet You Cannot Apply The Lesson, Sir.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #44

I'll let you in on a secret . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #49

Not Safe To Tell Me a Secret, Sir.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #51

As the Tralfamadorians often like to say . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #56

On And On And On It Does, Sir.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #58

Russia Today, literally funded by the Russian government, is an independent source. jeff47 Aug 2014 #53

It is a source independent of those who control our media . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #55

Indeed, Sir: It Is Controlled By Another Imperialist Kleptocracy The Magistrate Aug 2014 #59

Perhaps it is another one, but it is also a different one . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #62

So You Just Like Novelty, Then, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #65

Instead it's directly controlled by Russia jeff47 Aug 2014 #75

Well, Russia didn't apply it to Crimea jeff47 Aug 2014 #26

You can sail as many over as you want . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #43

Google. Try it jeff47 Aug 2014 #45

I don't know whose reply you read . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #46

Re-read your last sentence jeff47 Aug 2014 #48

The minority rights of all peoples should be respected . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #54

You Really Are Rum Fun, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #61

still pimpin' for the pro-Rus-Si-A assholes who have now been caught creating mass graves snooper2 Aug 2014 #17

Still calling me rude names, which only shows the weakness of your position. another_liberal Aug 2014 #42

"that's not an anti-terrorist operation, it's a war" reorg Aug 2014 #18

Thanks for noting this . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #33

"It is not alright to supply weapons to one side of a conflict just because we want that side to... EX500rider Aug 2014 #47

Thanks for this post. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #41

Well R3druM Aug 2014 #50

as mass graves are now being discovered that have been left by the the Russian rebels Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #57

Talk about some full-fledged, lock-stock-and-barrel "propaganda!" another_liberal Aug 2014 #60

As Predicted, Sir, You Are Incapable Of Embarassment The Magistrate Aug 2014 #63

just amazing Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #66

Fascinating how you are outraged by this supposed atrocity . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #81

If the Russians were not in ukraine taking over Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #90

Since the authorities from Kiev are doing the investigating . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #84

One Of The Things That Makes You So Funny, Sir, Is You Are Just So Damned Predictable.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #89

I guess human rights watch also is not good enough Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #64

Not for the Putin brigade davidpdx Aug 2014 #67

When responsibility for a crime can be established, the guilty should be punished. another_liberal Aug 2014 #68

God, But You Are A Funny, Funny Man, Sir! The Magistrate Aug 2014 #69

I don't have any "boys" in this fight . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #80

Course You Do, Sir: No One Doubts You Have Chosen A Side In This The Magistrate Aug 2014 #83

This is not a football game . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #85

No, Sir, You Are For War, Waged By the Party You Align With The Magistrate Aug 2014 #88

and yet you never Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #91

oh yes we can Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #71

Neither you nor I know where this site is or what happened there. another_liberal Aug 2014 #79

Until Russia Times Has Reported, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #70

I know sir Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #72

Maybe here's a chance for the Russians to do some Turbineguy Aug 2014 #76

UN Human Rights Report R3druM Aug 2014 #77

But that can not be Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #78

There are people being killed daily by shelling and bombing from Kiev's armed forces . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #82

no, they are Russians Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #92

The USA is trying to serve up Ukraine to the IMF and trans-national corporations. Emelina Aug 2014 #86