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43. the more I consider the impact of such a 'scandal' that I'm positing
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 11:36 PM
Aug 2014

. . . the more I'm convinced that it would be devastating for the party.

I'm not sure how I'd consider my own interest in defending against the political impact; I'm more sure about how I'd regard the actual issues involved.

I was on surer ground defending Clinton against charges for an affair that I couldn't have cared less about.

I'm definitely certain about my reaction (in my teens) to the Watergate scandal.

I want to post something here that I think is a good measure and analysis of how we might regard the impact of a prosecution or investigation of a presidency on the party - this one positing on the impact on the nation (not the same as on the party, I know) of a prosecution of Nixon for crimes stemming from an attempt by Nixon to dig up dirt on his political opponents -chilling, but less consequential, in many ways, than outright obstruction of a Senate investigation onto the CIA, if that's what's proven or even investigated here.

I can understand President Obama's or Democratic legislator's or official's reluctance to open the party to something like that. I can also understand rank-and-file Democrats' concern about that impact on the party. Would that be my primary concern? I don't know.


Anyway, this is a memorandum prepared for the Watergate Special Prosecutor, Leon Jaworksi, on the day Richard Nixon resigned the presidency.

(the decision to pardon Nixon was reportedly made by Ford without asking the advice of the Watergate special prosecutor, Leon Jaworski, who had the legal responsibility to prosecute the case)

Note the second image with the arguments in favor of a prosecution . . . I'm in that school of thought.

TO: Leon Jaworski, Special Prosecutor
DATE: August 9, 1974
FROM: Carl B Feldbaum & Peter M. Kreindler
SUBJECT: Factors to be Considered in Deciding Whether to Prosecute Richard M. Nixon for Obstruction of Justice





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Uh...we just did? You just did...just now? cheapdate Aug 2014 #1
"The White House put the CIA in charge of the redactions process" n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #2
who does CIA director Brennan take his orders from? bigtree Aug 2014 #3
Were no actual foxes available? n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #18
(Pulling Up A Chair...) BKH70041 Aug 2014 #4
It's not arguable that the White House isn't "obstructing" cheapdate Aug 2014 #5
I suppose the severity of a cover-up does depend on what's actually being obscured bigtree Aug 2014 #6
I won't be surprised to see the White House fight over this. cheapdate Aug 2014 #8
thanks for your insightful response bigtree Aug 2014 #10
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #31
the more I consider the impact of such a 'scandal' that I'm positing bigtree Aug 2014 #43
Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #61
what about something along the lines he expressed Friday in partial defense of the Bush activity? bigtree Aug 2014 #65
What if he's ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #75
Yes, participating in a cover-up of war crimes that are widely known is the best way to ... Scuba Aug 2014 #76
Think about what I wrote than think about what you wrote. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #77
I guess I don't subscribe to the notion bigtree Aug 2014 #78
Admittedly, I haven't been following this closely; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #79
I don't think anyone would be seriously talking about the President's responsibility in any of that bigtree Aug 2014 #81
Torture is no more a "political decision" than molesting a child. The fact that it was systemic TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #54
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #62
I'm not looking for a position trying to mount vapid defenses of some of the worst of the dark ages TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #67
+1000 legalizing torture was a crime, as was the torture noiretextatique Aug 2014 #63
Your job is far more important. Politicians manipulate and obfuscate and do whatever sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #26
Rec morningfog Aug 2014 #7
It isn't much of a cover up since the Senate knows the information. Johonny Aug 2014 #9
good point about the Senate knowing already bigtree Aug 2014 #11
Part of me thinks that choie Aug 2014 #13
that's an interesting observation bigtree Aug 2014 #21
Yeah and DiFi choie Aug 2014 #32
I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #35
I thought about that bigtree Aug 2014 #49
Yes! I want to see that report, dammit. All of it. cheapdate Aug 2014 #52
A cover up suggests the W.H. is involved in an illegal action. pa28 Aug 2014 #12
there should be an investigation of the Brennan CIA's actions regarding the Senate investigation bigtree Aug 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author pa28 Aug 2014 #25
He can prove that by firing Brennen, and Clapper and all the other Republicans sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #27
I hope you are wrong about Obama's knowledge but it seems I'm never quite cynical enough. pa28 Aug 2014 #40
We don't know what the President knew before about the CIA's activiities. But we know sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #60
Pelosi, Reid, DiFi, Leahy, Levin, Kerry and other powerful Dem leaders KoKo Aug 2014 #80
When you become a Republican... SidDithers Aug 2014 #14
that's your answer? bigtree Aug 2014 #17
You are an excellent Democrat. Always consider the source when you are being sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #28
Weak. That isn't even logically consistent. It was a republican administration morningfog Aug 2014 #34
Seems to me like you are on the wrong side of the torture issue. And calling people rhett o rick Aug 2014 #68
When? Raine1967 Aug 2014 #16
take a read through the conversations with folks who had enough respect bigtree Aug 2014 #19
I'm doing fine, thank you. Raine1967 Aug 2014 #23
is the accountability I'm looking for really just a 'libertarian' pursuit? bigtree Aug 2014 #24
At this point, no I don't. (to answer the question in the title of this response) Raine1967 Aug 2014 #29
your first response was a good one bigtree Aug 2014 #33
Wow, how very Republican. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #20
yeah, republicans always demand accountability from their own party bigtree Aug 2014 #22
Some are circling the wagons so hard that if called on will oppose all they fought for TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #36
So very true BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #45
You'll be calling for impeachment any day now. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #38
I'll fully support an investigation right now into Brennan's conduct bigtree Aug 2014 #59
It's very Democratic actually to ask questions, to try to get facts rather sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #30
So you condone letting torturers off the hook BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #41
So I guess you support impeachment. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #44
Oh For Fuck's Sake BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #46
As I suspected. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #47
I'm glad we're having this delightful interchange BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #48
. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #50
You're on ignore so I can't see your posts BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #51
. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #56
That always works on stupid people BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #66
You are wasting your time replying to some here. It is Mojorabbit Aug 2014 #86
You got that right BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #87
You and Sid with the same talking points. Sadly, that's all you got is calling people names. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #69
Covering for torturers? Sure is. nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #82
It's not a coverup. More of a whitewash. Maven Aug 2014 #37
In the spirit of closure BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #39
+1 BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #42
We'd better get the impeachment process going right away. Turbineguy Aug 2014 #53
So what's your point? Are you saying you apologize for Cheney's torture program? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #70
What is the point of pretending noise Aug 2014 #55
In Washington-speak... BlueCheese Aug 2014 #57
yeah, I think that's a reasonable view bigtree Aug 2014 #64
Redacting is literally covering up. It's easy to see. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #71
something interesting. I'll drop it here bigtree Aug 2014 #72
If the release of the "executive summary" of torture is delayed any longer, we need to contact rhett o rick Aug 2014 #83
I think before that happens bigtree Aug 2014 #84
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #73
When do we start calling this a (redacted) by the (redacted) (redacted)?" Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #74
It has been the entire time, hence the "look forward" aka look the other way Corruption Inc Aug 2014 #85
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