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Uncle Joe

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35. On a thread by bigtree.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 11:51 PM
Aug 2014


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025292409

Might be surprised- Turns Out Hamas Likely Didn’t Kidnap and Kill the 3 Israeli Teens After All

. . . the three Israeli teens whose killings gave Netanyahu pretext to attack and invade Gaza.

from Katie Zavadski at the New York Magazine:

When the bodies of three Israeli teenagers, kidnapped in the West Bank, were found late last month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not mince words. "Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay," he said, initiating a campaign that eventually escalated into the present conflict in the region.

But now, officials admit the kidnappings were not Hamas's handiwork after all.

BuzzFeed writer Sheera Frenkel was among the first to suggest that it was unlikely that Hamas was behind the deaths of Gilad Shaar, Naftali Frenkel, and Eyal Yifrach. Citing Palestinian sources and experts the field, Frenkel reported that kidnapping three Israeli teens would be a foolish move for Hamas. International experts told her it was likely the work of a local group, acting without concern for the repercussions:

Gershon Baskin pointed out that Hamas has earlier this month signed an agreement to form a unity government with Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, bridging, for the first time in seven years, the Palestinian leadership in the West Bank and Gaza.

“They will lose their reconciliation agreement with Abbas if they do take responsibility for the kidnappings,” Baskin added.



Today, she was proven right:

After Israel's top leadership exhaustively blamed Hamas for kidnap of 3 teens, they've now admitted killers were acting as "lone cell."

read more: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html?mid=twitter_nymag


from Dell Cameron (Daily Dot) on July 25, 2014

The recent explosion of violence in Gaza may have been initially sparked by false or inaccurate claims, according to Israeli police.

The ongoing conflict began last month when three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped from a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank. Their bodies were later discovered in a field outside the city of Hebron. Before police were able to determine who was responsible, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu placed blame for the tragic deaths squarely on Hamas, Gaza’s elected political leadership—an accusation that may prove to be false.

On Friday, Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, reportedly told BBC journalist Jon Donnisonhe that the men responsible for murders were not acting on orders of Hamas leadership. Instead, he said, they are part of a “lone cell.” Further, Inspector Rosenfeld told Donnison that if Hamas’ leadership had ordered the kidnapping, “they'd have known about it in advance.”

If the reported findings of the Israeli Police hold up and Hamas is officially cleared of any wrongdoing in the case of the three kidnapped Israeli teens, Netanyahu and the Israeli government may have to explain why a massive military operation, with an 80 percent rate of civilian casualties, was instigated under a false premise. And if violence in the West Bank continues to spread, the IDF may find itself divided on two fronts.

read: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/israel-gaza-kidnap-false-inaccurate/

related:

Sheera Frenkel ‏@sheeraf 15h
My story @Buzzfeed 1month ago, in which Israeli officers say Hamas not behind the kidnap/killing of 3 Israeli teens: http://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/who-was-behind-the-kidnapping-of-three-israeli-teens-and-why


*update*: Jon Donnison ‏@JonDonnison. the BBC reporter who is the source for the story (Donnison claims Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld gave him the info) has at least one controversy associated with his reporting. A watchdog site called BBC Watch says Donnison tweeted a photo he said was in Gaza which turned out to be from Syria. Not exactly a scandal, but some might make something out of it to discredit this report - so, full disclosure and all that.

here's his apology for the mistake:



. . . seems straightforward to me and not something that should necessarily speak to his credibility, but hey, folks will talk. Anyway . . .
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I'd say Jimmy Carter has a lot more on the ball upaloopa Aug 2014 #1
I'd say he's lost it Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #59
Welcome to DU Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #74
k&r for James Earl Carter, Jr. Laelth Aug 2014 #2
The seige of Gaza needs to end 4now Aug 2014 #3
The president needs to send Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to sort this out Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #4
Carter, yes -- Clinton, no… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #43
Actually, I was thinking of him more as an adviser to President Carter, LOL Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #45
"Hamas cannot be wished away, nor will it cooperate in its own demise," Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #5
Diplomats? leftynyc Aug 2014 #54
"Kill all Jews" is not in their Charter, more lies. Give it up, Israel's moral failures are clear. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #72
Funny how a "Liberal" will suddenly buy Right Wing propaganda if it's anti-Palestinian. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #77
I think it's cute to use Wolf Blitzer as a reliable source for the truth.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #75
K and R bigwillq Aug 2014 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #7
Fred is a good 'un. RobertEarl Aug 2014 #8
This. hifiguy Aug 2014 #78
Thank you. Too many freaking liberals buying into obvious propaganda...shades of Iraq. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #79
Recognize Hamas? That's absurd. joshcryer Aug 2014 #9
agreed. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #10
No, it's the most logical path to peace. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #11
No it isn't. joshcryer Aug 2014 #13
Hamas just agreed to a unity government with Fatah in the West Bank and were Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #15
They were also supposedly "going to" stop the rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17
When Israel and Hamas were cooperating with each other in 2013 rocket attacks dropped 98% Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #24
That was after "Pillar of Defense." joshcryer Aug 2014 #25
what that does jberryhill Aug 2014 #27
Not really. joshcryer Aug 2014 #32
you were saying "no rockets" right? jberryhill Aug 2014 #37
I don't think it's appropriate at all. joshcryer Aug 2014 #39
Israels kids and PTSD? MFM008 Aug 2014 #53
who gave them a pass? jberryhill Aug 2014 #82
Yes we have, I remember making this post and this should tell you a few things. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #28
The rockets started flying first. joshcryer Aug 2014 #34
On a thread by bigtree. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #35
Yes, irrelevant. joshcryer Aug 2014 #36
Netanyahu's mass retribution turning a tragic crime into an act of war is what escalated both Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #38
Agree. n/t kiranon Aug 2014 #12
They were elected, weren't they? killbotfactory Aug 2014 #14
8 years ago. joshcryer Aug 2014 #16
Regardless, they hold power. What good does ignoring them do? nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #18
The mafia held power at one point. joshcryer Aug 2014 #23
And... ? Lots of governments around the world act like a mafia. nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #26
Hard to call a mafia a government. joshcryer Aug 2014 #31
Yeah, and the US negotiated with them jberryhill Aug 2014 #33
They were about to hold elections after the unity government agreement between Fatah/Hamas and Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #30
Netanyahu doesn't have mind control to make Hamas fire rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #40
Being blockaded in a dense open air prison, Ghetto with a 70% poverty rate creates a powder keg Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #42
Hamas wasn't "triggered" to allow rocket stockpiling. joshcryer Aug 2014 #44
Why not? Their members were being rounded up in mass numbers for the actions of two. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #46
So, they stockpiled rockets for this occasion? joshcryer Aug 2014 #47
If all you have are rocks that's what you stock up on, they have no air force, no navy, no tanks, Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #48
I don't see how rockets help the situation. joshcryer Aug 2014 #50
It's a matter of pride. If you can't stop a well-armed imperial power from destroying your eridani Aug 2014 #51
Look what their pride has gotten them leftynyc Aug 2014 #55
Israel will proceed with mass murder regardless of what they do. eridani Aug 2014 #56
I stopped reading leftynyc Aug 2014 #64
Hamas just joined a unity government that goes against its charter eridani Aug 2014 #65
It was the rockets leftynyc Aug 2014 #66
Hamas joined a unity government that recognizes Israel, period eridani Aug 2014 #67
How lovely (and pointed) leftynyc Aug 2014 #68
The consequences of the rockets have been one casualty, period eridani Aug 2014 #69
They're nothing but a symbol of defiance, but that's all they have. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #52
That's like saying Cliven Bundy and his AK47s are a symbol. joshcryer Aug 2014 #57
Yea, because 1.8 million impoverished people trapped in an open air prison ghetto is like a man that Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #83
Palestine has a right to defend itself. If not Hamas, some form of Palestinian military morningfog Aug 2014 #29
The rockets have zero defensive purpose. joshcryer Aug 2014 #41
But long range artillery into an urban area, armed drones, bombs dropped...all defensive.?..... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #73
Interesting. Quite the contrast to Clinton's recent thoughts on the matter. nt adirondacker Aug 2014 #19
Carter isn't thinking about running for office again. n/t hughee99 Aug 2014 #22
He's right. And had we "recognized" Saddam there would have been no need for invading...BUT kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #20
knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #21
I'll take Jimmy Carter's word for it. He knows more than anybody in the world... Peace Patriot Aug 2014 #49
Let's face it... FarPoint Aug 2014 #58
Carter is wrong and only a moron would do what he suggests. badtoworse Aug 2014 #60
here is a list of morons who have been advocating exactly that for years Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #62
See Post 70. Powell talked about a dialogue with Hamas, not recognition ot its legitimacy. badtoworse Aug 2014 #71
Destruction of "Israel" not the destruction of Jews. It's really about land and resources. kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #63
Hamas has never recognized Israel's right to exist and has always been committed to its destruction. badtoworse Aug 2014 #70
OBVIOUSLY!! To quote a former Israeli Foreign Minister: Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #61
I suppose that could help. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #76
K&R emsimon33 Aug 2014 #80
K&R! G_j Aug 2014 #81
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