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jberryhill

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37. you were saying "no rockets" right?
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 12:16 AM
Aug 2014

Let's say there is gang violence going on and the police lock down the city. This becomes intolerable, there are a number of police/citizen interactions which go bad, and the mayor says "if we go one day without a senseless shooting, we'll loosen up."

Who is in charge of the situation there? The least stable motherfucker in town.

We've seen the Ariel Sharon production of this same movie before. The Likudniks are a gang of their own.

You know, a couple of years ago the domain name kahane.net became the first Internet domain name to make it to the OFAC SDN list. I don't have to tell you what was there. The domain name dropped for non-renewal and I picked it up for shits and giggles. I turned on "catch all" email for the domain (that is collected inbound email for anystring@kahane.net. After spam filtering that load, what you get are emails from people who didn't update their address book, you get cc'd on a lot of stuff, and you get reminders of accounts former users had at other places. You can use that info to "recover" passwords to those accounts, and get a good feel for the activities of people who had accounts at kahane.net. I got a pretty good feel for where there heads were at, and the whole vibe of this situation makes me think that they're sort of mind poison has broken out like a nutjob Ebola virus.

I mean, look, if we want to disagree about military action of some kind, that's fine. You can say that what is happening is appropriate to the circumstances, okay? But the really creepy thing to me is not even that. The really creepy thing is the outright refusal to even consider any iota of responsibility for both the circumstances and the consequences of this action. I mean none. I mean complete and utter moral blamelessness,

Just as a general proposition, reality is never that stark. Now, when you can fire an artillery shell to take out one person, and you take out ten other people, you are a human - a moral actor in that loop. If you can say, "but it's all that guy's fault" you are actually dehumanizing yourself. You have reduced yourself to a mere cog of a machine, with no more humanity than a machine. What is this doing to the psyches of the young men and women of the IDF? And what does it mean to the next generation of leadership which will rise from among their ranks?

And, again, my horror is not premised on whether someone thinks the scale of this action is necessary or appropriate. It is at the inability to even conceive of a point on the scale that would be "too much", or even see the scale at all.

If the idea is to take out some dude here or there, for example, or a tunnel entrance at some point, then wouldn't you prefer drones to artillery? Is that a trade you'd make?

Here you go
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/domain_of_terror-38371614.html

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I'd say Jimmy Carter has a lot more on the ball upaloopa Aug 2014 #1
I'd say he's lost it Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #59
Welcome to DU Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #74
k&r for James Earl Carter, Jr. Laelth Aug 2014 #2
The seige of Gaza needs to end 4now Aug 2014 #3
The president needs to send Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to sort this out Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #4
Carter, yes -- Clinton, no… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #43
Actually, I was thinking of him more as an adviser to President Carter, LOL Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #45
"Hamas cannot be wished away, nor will it cooperate in its own demise," Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #5
Diplomats? leftynyc Aug 2014 #54
"Kill all Jews" is not in their Charter, more lies. Give it up, Israel's moral failures are clear. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #72
Funny how a "Liberal" will suddenly buy Right Wing propaganda if it's anti-Palestinian. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #77
I think it's cute to use Wolf Blitzer as a reliable source for the truth.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #75
K and R bigwillq Aug 2014 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #7
Fred is a good 'un. RobertEarl Aug 2014 #8
This. hifiguy Aug 2014 #78
Thank you. Too many freaking liberals buying into obvious propaganda...shades of Iraq. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #79
Recognize Hamas? That's absurd. joshcryer Aug 2014 #9
agreed. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #10
No, it's the most logical path to peace. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #11
No it isn't. joshcryer Aug 2014 #13
Hamas just agreed to a unity government with Fatah in the West Bank and were Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #15
They were also supposedly "going to" stop the rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17
When Israel and Hamas were cooperating with each other in 2013 rocket attacks dropped 98% Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #24
That was after "Pillar of Defense." joshcryer Aug 2014 #25
what that does jberryhill Aug 2014 #27
Not really. joshcryer Aug 2014 #32
you were saying "no rockets" right? jberryhill Aug 2014 #37
I don't think it's appropriate at all. joshcryer Aug 2014 #39
Israels kids and PTSD? MFM008 Aug 2014 #53
who gave them a pass? jberryhill Aug 2014 #82
Yes we have, I remember making this post and this should tell you a few things. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #28
The rockets started flying first. joshcryer Aug 2014 #34
On a thread by bigtree. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #35
Yes, irrelevant. joshcryer Aug 2014 #36
Netanyahu's mass retribution turning a tragic crime into an act of war is what escalated both Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #38
Agree. n/t kiranon Aug 2014 #12
They were elected, weren't they? killbotfactory Aug 2014 #14
8 years ago. joshcryer Aug 2014 #16
Regardless, they hold power. What good does ignoring them do? nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #18
The mafia held power at one point. joshcryer Aug 2014 #23
And... ? Lots of governments around the world act like a mafia. nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #26
Hard to call a mafia a government. joshcryer Aug 2014 #31
Yeah, and the US negotiated with them jberryhill Aug 2014 #33
They were about to hold elections after the unity government agreement between Fatah/Hamas and Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #30
Netanyahu doesn't have mind control to make Hamas fire rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #40
Being blockaded in a dense open air prison, Ghetto with a 70% poverty rate creates a powder keg Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #42
Hamas wasn't "triggered" to allow rocket stockpiling. joshcryer Aug 2014 #44
Why not? Their members were being rounded up in mass numbers for the actions of two. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #46
So, they stockpiled rockets for this occasion? joshcryer Aug 2014 #47
If all you have are rocks that's what you stock up on, they have no air force, no navy, no tanks, Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #48
I don't see how rockets help the situation. joshcryer Aug 2014 #50
It's a matter of pride. If you can't stop a well-armed imperial power from destroying your eridani Aug 2014 #51
Look what their pride has gotten them leftynyc Aug 2014 #55
Israel will proceed with mass murder regardless of what they do. eridani Aug 2014 #56
I stopped reading leftynyc Aug 2014 #64
Hamas just joined a unity government that goes against its charter eridani Aug 2014 #65
It was the rockets leftynyc Aug 2014 #66
Hamas joined a unity government that recognizes Israel, period eridani Aug 2014 #67
How lovely (and pointed) leftynyc Aug 2014 #68
The consequences of the rockets have been one casualty, period eridani Aug 2014 #69
They're nothing but a symbol of defiance, but that's all they have. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #52
That's like saying Cliven Bundy and his AK47s are a symbol. joshcryer Aug 2014 #57
Yea, because 1.8 million impoverished people trapped in an open air prison ghetto is like a man that Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #83
Palestine has a right to defend itself. If not Hamas, some form of Palestinian military morningfog Aug 2014 #29
The rockets have zero defensive purpose. joshcryer Aug 2014 #41
But long range artillery into an urban area, armed drones, bombs dropped...all defensive.?..... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #73
Interesting. Quite the contrast to Clinton's recent thoughts on the matter. nt adirondacker Aug 2014 #19
Carter isn't thinking about running for office again. n/t hughee99 Aug 2014 #22
He's right. And had we "recognized" Saddam there would have been no need for invading...BUT kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #20
knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #21
I'll take Jimmy Carter's word for it. He knows more than anybody in the world... Peace Patriot Aug 2014 #49
Let's face it... FarPoint Aug 2014 #58
Carter is wrong and only a moron would do what he suggests. badtoworse Aug 2014 #60
here is a list of morons who have been advocating exactly that for years Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #62
See Post 70. Powell talked about a dialogue with Hamas, not recognition ot its legitimacy. badtoworse Aug 2014 #71
Destruction of "Israel" not the destruction of Jews. It's really about land and resources. kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #63
Hamas has never recognized Israel's right to exist and has always been committed to its destruction. badtoworse Aug 2014 #70
OBVIOUSLY!! To quote a former Israeli Foreign Minister: Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #61
I suppose that could help. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #76
K&R emsimon33 Aug 2014 #80
K&R! G_j Aug 2014 #81
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