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Douglas Carpenter

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61. OBVIOUSLY!! To quote a former Israeli Foreign Minister:
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 07:05 AM
Aug 2014
"SHLOMO BEN-AMI: Yes, Hamas. I think that in my view there is almost sort of poetic justice with this victory of Hamas. After all, what is the reason for this nostalgia for Arafat and for the P.L.O.? Did they run the affairs of the Palestinians in a clean way? You mentioned the corruption, the inefficiency. Of course, Israel has contributed a lot to the disintegration of the Palestinian system, no doubt about it, but their leaders failed them. Their leaders betrayed them, and the victory of Hamas is justice being made in many ways. So we cannot preach democracy and then say that those who won are not accepted by us. Either there is democracy or there is no democracy.

And with these people, I think they are much more pragmatic than is normally perceived. In the 1990s, they invented the concept of a temporary settlement with Israel. 1990s was the first time that Hamas spoke about a temporary settlement with Israel. In 2003, they declared unilaterally a truce, and the reason they declared the truce is this, that with Arafat, whose the system of government was one of divide and rule, they were discarded from the political system. Mahmoud Abbas has integrated them into the political system, and this is what brought them to the truce. They are interested in politicizing themselves, in becoming a politic entity. And we need to try and see ways where we can work with them.

Now, everybody says they need first to recognize the state of Israel and end terrorism. Believe me, I would like them to do so today, but they are not going to do that. They are eventually going to do that in the future, but only as part of a quid pro quo, just as the P.L.O. did it. The P.L.O., when Rabin came to negotiate with them, also didn't recognize the state of Israel, and they engaged in all kind of nasty practices. And therefore, we need to be much more realistic and abandon worn-out cliches and see whether we can reach something with these people. I believe that a long-term interim agreement between Israel and Hamas, even if it is not directly negotiated between the parties, but through a third party, is feasible and possible."

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/14/fmr_israeli_foreign_minister_shlomo_ben
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Hamas's official offer of a long term truce with Israel from Ahmed Yousef:



Hamas's official offer of a long term truce with Israel from Ahmed Yousef:


By AHMED YOUSEF
Originally Published: November 1, 2006 in the New York Times

"Ahmed Yousef is a senior adviser to the Palestinian prime minister, Ismail Haniya."

"HERE in Gaza, few dream of peace. For now, most dare only to dream of a lack of war. It is for this reason that Hamas proposes a long-term truce during which the Israeli and Palestinian peoples can try to negotiate a lasting peace.
A truce is referred to in Arabic as a ''hudna.'' Typically covering 10 years, a hudna is recognized in Islamic jurisprudence as a legitimate and binding contract. A hudna extends beyond the Western concept of a cease-fire and obliges the parties to use the period to seek a permanent, nonviolent resolution to their differences. The Koran finds great merit in such efforts at promoting understanding among different people. Whereas war dehumanizes the enemy and makes it easier to kill, a hudna affords the opportunity to humanize one's opponents and understand their position with the goal of resolving the intertribal or international dispute.

Such a concept -- a period of nonwar but only partial resolution of a conflict -- is foreign to the West and has been greeted with much suspicion. Many Westerners I speak to wonder how one can stop the violence without ending the conflict.

I would argue, however, that this concept is not as foreign as it might seem. After all, the Irish Republican Army agreed to halt its military struggle to free Northern Ireland from British rule without recognizing British sovereignty. Irish Republicans continue to aspire to a united Ireland free of British rule, but rely upon peaceful methods. Had the I.R.A. been forced to renounce its vision of reuniting Ireland before negotiations could occur, peace would never have prevailed. Why should more be demanded of the Palestinians, particularly when the spirit of our people will never permit it?
When Hamas gives its word to an international agreement, it does so in the name of God and will therefore keep its word. Hamas has honored its previous cease-fires, as Israelis grudgingly note with the oft-heard words, ''At least with Hamas they mean what they say.''

This offer of hudna is no ruse, as some assert, to strengthen our military machine, to buy time to organize better or to consolidate our hold on the Palestinian Authority. Indeed, faith-based political movements in Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Malaysia, Morocco, Turkey and Yemen have used hudna-like strategies to avoid expanding conflict. Hamas will conduct itself just as wisely and honorably.

We Palestinians are prepared to enter into a hudna to bring about an immediate end to the occupation and to initiate a period of peaceful coexistence during which both sides would refrain from any form of military aggression or provocation. During this period of calm and negotiation we can address the important issues like the right of return and the release of prisoners. If the negotiations fail to achieve a durable settlement, the next generation of Palestinians and Israelis will have to decide whether or not to renew the hudna and the search for a negotiated peace.

There can be no comprehensive solution of the conflict today, this week, this month, or even this year. A conflict that has festered for so long may, however, be resolved through a decade of peaceful coexistence and negotiations. This is the only sensible alternative to the current situation. A hudna will lead to an end to the occupation and create the space and the calm necessary to resolve all outstanding issues.

Few in Gaza dream. For most of the past six months it's been difficult to even sleep. Yet hope is not dead. And when we dare to hope, this is what we see: a 10-year hudna during which, inshallah (God willing), we will learn again to dream of peace.

Ahmed Yousef is a senior adviser to the Palestinian prime minister, Ismail Haniya. "

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I'd say he's lost it Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #59
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k&r for James Earl Carter, Jr. Laelth Aug 2014 #2
The seige of Gaza needs to end 4now Aug 2014 #3
The president needs to send Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to sort this out Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #4
Carter, yes -- Clinton, no… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #43
Actually, I was thinking of him more as an adviser to President Carter, LOL Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #45
"Hamas cannot be wished away, nor will it cooperate in its own demise," Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #5
Diplomats? leftynyc Aug 2014 #54
"Kill all Jews" is not in their Charter, more lies. Give it up, Israel's moral failures are clear. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #72
Funny how a "Liberal" will suddenly buy Right Wing propaganda if it's anti-Palestinian. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #77
I think it's cute to use Wolf Blitzer as a reliable source for the truth.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #75
K and R bigwillq Aug 2014 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #7
Fred is a good 'un. RobertEarl Aug 2014 #8
This. hifiguy Aug 2014 #78
Thank you. Too many freaking liberals buying into obvious propaganda...shades of Iraq. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #79
Recognize Hamas? That's absurd. joshcryer Aug 2014 #9
agreed. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #10
No, it's the most logical path to peace. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #11
No it isn't. joshcryer Aug 2014 #13
Hamas just agreed to a unity government with Fatah in the West Bank and were Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #15
They were also supposedly "going to" stop the rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17
When Israel and Hamas were cooperating with each other in 2013 rocket attacks dropped 98% Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #24
That was after "Pillar of Defense." joshcryer Aug 2014 #25
what that does jberryhill Aug 2014 #27
Not really. joshcryer Aug 2014 #32
you were saying "no rockets" right? jberryhill Aug 2014 #37
I don't think it's appropriate at all. joshcryer Aug 2014 #39
Israels kids and PTSD? MFM008 Aug 2014 #53
who gave them a pass? jberryhill Aug 2014 #82
Yes we have, I remember making this post and this should tell you a few things. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #28
The rockets started flying first. joshcryer Aug 2014 #34
On a thread by bigtree. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #35
Yes, irrelevant. joshcryer Aug 2014 #36
Netanyahu's mass retribution turning a tragic crime into an act of war is what escalated both Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #38
Agree. n/t kiranon Aug 2014 #12
They were elected, weren't they? killbotfactory Aug 2014 #14
8 years ago. joshcryer Aug 2014 #16
Regardless, they hold power. What good does ignoring them do? nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #18
The mafia held power at one point. joshcryer Aug 2014 #23
And... ? Lots of governments around the world act like a mafia. nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #26
Hard to call a mafia a government. joshcryer Aug 2014 #31
Yeah, and the US negotiated with them jberryhill Aug 2014 #33
They were about to hold elections after the unity government agreement between Fatah/Hamas and Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #30
Netanyahu doesn't have mind control to make Hamas fire rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #40
Being blockaded in a dense open air prison, Ghetto with a 70% poverty rate creates a powder keg Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #42
Hamas wasn't "triggered" to allow rocket stockpiling. joshcryer Aug 2014 #44
Why not? Their members were being rounded up in mass numbers for the actions of two. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #46
So, they stockpiled rockets for this occasion? joshcryer Aug 2014 #47
If all you have are rocks that's what you stock up on, they have no air force, no navy, no tanks, Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #48
I don't see how rockets help the situation. joshcryer Aug 2014 #50
It's a matter of pride. If you can't stop a well-armed imperial power from destroying your eridani Aug 2014 #51
Look what their pride has gotten them leftynyc Aug 2014 #55
Israel will proceed with mass murder regardless of what they do. eridani Aug 2014 #56
I stopped reading leftynyc Aug 2014 #64
Hamas just joined a unity government that goes against its charter eridani Aug 2014 #65
It was the rockets leftynyc Aug 2014 #66
Hamas joined a unity government that recognizes Israel, period eridani Aug 2014 #67
How lovely (and pointed) leftynyc Aug 2014 #68
The consequences of the rockets have been one casualty, period eridani Aug 2014 #69
They're nothing but a symbol of defiance, but that's all they have. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #52
That's like saying Cliven Bundy and his AK47s are a symbol. joshcryer Aug 2014 #57
Yea, because 1.8 million impoverished people trapped in an open air prison ghetto is like a man that Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #83
Palestine has a right to defend itself. If not Hamas, some form of Palestinian military morningfog Aug 2014 #29
The rockets have zero defensive purpose. joshcryer Aug 2014 #41
But long range artillery into an urban area, armed drones, bombs dropped...all defensive.?..... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #73
Interesting. Quite the contrast to Clinton's recent thoughts on the matter. nt adirondacker Aug 2014 #19
Carter isn't thinking about running for office again. n/t hughee99 Aug 2014 #22
He's right. And had we "recognized" Saddam there would have been no need for invading...BUT kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #20
knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #21
I'll take Jimmy Carter's word for it. He knows more than anybody in the world... Peace Patriot Aug 2014 #49
Let's face it... FarPoint Aug 2014 #58
Carter is wrong and only a moron would do what he suggests. badtoworse Aug 2014 #60
here is a list of morons who have been advocating exactly that for years Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #62
See Post 70. Powell talked about a dialogue with Hamas, not recognition ot its legitimacy. badtoworse Aug 2014 #71
Destruction of "Israel" not the destruction of Jews. It's really about land and resources. kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #63
Hamas has never recognized Israel's right to exist and has always been committed to its destruction. badtoworse Aug 2014 #70
OBVIOUSLY!! To quote a former Israeli Foreign Minister: Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #61
I suppose that could help. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #76
K&R emsimon33 Aug 2014 #80
K&R! G_j Aug 2014 #81
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