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Douglas Carpenter

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62. here is a list of morons who have been advocating exactly that for years
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 07:16 AM
Aug 2014

Collin Powell and several other prominent mainstream leaders support dialogue with Hamas
and signed a letter which includes a paragraph very clearly stating so - along with calling for real talks which covers substantial real issues.

Some of the signatories frankly surprised me:

"As to Hamas, we believe that a genuine dialogue with the organization is far preferable to its isolation; it could be conducted, for example, by the UN and Quartet Middle East envoys. Promoting a cease-fire between Israel and Gaza would be a good starting point."

Partial list of Signatories:


Zbigniew Brzezinski -Former National Security Adviser to President Jimmy Carter

Lee H. Hamilton - Former Congressman (D-IN) and Co-chair of the Iraq Study Group

Carla Hills - Former U.S. Trade Representative under President George H.W. Bush

Nancy Kassebaum-Baker - Former Senator (R-KS)

Thomas R. Pickering - Former Under Secretary of State under President Bill Clinton

Brent Scowcroft - Former National Security Adviser to President Gerald Ford and President George H.W. Bush

Theodore C. Sorensen - Former Special Counsel and Adviser to President John F. Kennedy

Paul Volcker - Former Chairman of the Board of Governors of the U.S. Federal Reserve System

Jodie Allen - Senior Editor, Pew Research Center; Former Editor of the Outlook Section, Washington Post

Harriet Babbitt - Former U.S. Ambassador to the Organization of American States; Former Director of the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs

Birch Bayh - Former U.S. Senator (D-IN)

Shlomo Ben-Ami - Former Foreign Minister of Israel

Lincoln Chafee - Distinguished Visiting Fellow at Brown University’s Watson Institute for International Studies; Former U.S. Senator (R-RI)

Harvey Cox - Hollis Professor of Divinity, Harvard Divinity School

Michael Cox - Professor, London School of Economics and Director of the Cold War Studies Centre

James Dobbins - Former Assistant Secretary of State

Joseph Duffey - Director, U.S. Information Agency, 1993-1999; Assistant Secretary of State for Education and Culture, 1977

Peter Edelman - Professor of Law and Co-Director of the Joint Degree in Law and Public Policy; Former Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation

Gareth Evans - President & CEO of International Crisis Group; Former Foreign Minister of Australia

Leon Fuerth -Former National Security Advisor to Vice President Al Gore

Gary Hart -Wirth Chair at the University of Colorado; Chair of the Council for a Livable World and the American Security Project; Former U.S. Senator (D-CO)

Robert E. Hunter - Senior Advisor, RAND Corporation; Former U.S. Ambassador to NATO

Robert Hutchings - Diplomat in Residence, Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton University; Former Chairman of the National Intelligence Council

Daniel Levy - Director, Middle East Policy Initiative, New America Foundation; Senior Fellow, Century Foundation; Lead Israeli Drafter, Geneva Initiative; Member of Israeli Delegation, Taba Negotiations

Anatol Lieven - Professor of War Studies, Kings College London; Senior Research Fellow, New America Foundation

John McLaughlin -Former Deputy Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Everett Mendelsohn -Professor Emeritus of the History of Science, Harvard University

Diana Villiers Negroponte - Foreign Policy Studies, Brookings Institution

William E. Odom - Lieutenant General, U.S. Army (Ret.); Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute; Professor of Political Science, Yale University; Former Director of the National Security Agency, 1985-1988

Christopher Patten - Co-Chair of International Crisis Group; Chancellor of the University of Oxford; Former EU Commissioner for Foreign Relations; Former Commander in Chief and British Governor of Hong Kong

Edward L. Peck - Former U.S. Chief of Mission to Iraq; Former Ambassador to Mauritania

Larry Pressler - Former U.S. Senator (R-SD) & Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; Member, Council on Foreign Relations

Theodore Roosevelt IV - Managing Director, Lehman Brothers

J. J. Sheehan - General, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.)

Eric Shinseki - General, US Army (Ret.)

Former Chief of Staff, U.S. Army

Stephen J. Solarz - Former U.S. Congressman (D-NY)

Robert and Renee Belfer - Professor in International AffairsJohn F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Phil Wilcox - President, Foundation for Middle East Peace; Former U.S. Ambassador at Large; Former Special Assistant to the Undersecretary for Management at the U.S. Department of State; Former Director for Regional Affairs, Bureau for Middle Eastern and South Asian Affairs, U.S. Department of State

Lawrence B. Wilkerson - Colonel, U.S. Army (Ret.); Pamela C. Harriman Visiting Professor of Government, College of William Mary; Professorial Lecturer, George Washington University; Former Chief of Staff, U.S. Department of State; Former Director, U.S. Marine Corps War College

Joseph Wilson - Ambassador in President George H. W. Bush’s Administration; Special Assistant to President Clinton; Senior Director for African Affairs, National Security Council

Timothy Wirth - President, U.N. Foundation; Former U.S. Senator (D-CO)

Frank Wisner - Former U.S. Ambassador to Zambia, Egypt, the Philippines and India; Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; Former Under Secretary of State for International Security Affairs; Vice Chairman of External Affairs at American International Group

link to signatories:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2007/nov/08/failure-risks-devastating-consequences/



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I'd say Jimmy Carter has a lot more on the ball upaloopa Aug 2014 #1
I'd say he's lost it Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #59
Welcome to DU Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #74
k&r for James Earl Carter, Jr. Laelth Aug 2014 #2
The seige of Gaza needs to end 4now Aug 2014 #3
The president needs to send Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to sort this out Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #4
Carter, yes -- Clinton, no… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #43
Actually, I was thinking of him more as an adviser to President Carter, LOL Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #45
"Hamas cannot be wished away, nor will it cooperate in its own demise," Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #5
Diplomats? leftynyc Aug 2014 #54
"Kill all Jews" is not in their Charter, more lies. Give it up, Israel's moral failures are clear. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #72
Funny how a "Liberal" will suddenly buy Right Wing propaganda if it's anti-Palestinian. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #77
I think it's cute to use Wolf Blitzer as a reliable source for the truth.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #75
K and R bigwillq Aug 2014 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #7
Fred is a good 'un. RobertEarl Aug 2014 #8
This. hifiguy Aug 2014 #78
Thank you. Too many freaking liberals buying into obvious propaganda...shades of Iraq. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #79
Recognize Hamas? That's absurd. joshcryer Aug 2014 #9
agreed. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #10
No, it's the most logical path to peace. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #11
No it isn't. joshcryer Aug 2014 #13
Hamas just agreed to a unity government with Fatah in the West Bank and were Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #15
They were also supposedly "going to" stop the rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17
When Israel and Hamas were cooperating with each other in 2013 rocket attacks dropped 98% Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #24
That was after "Pillar of Defense." joshcryer Aug 2014 #25
what that does jberryhill Aug 2014 #27
Not really. joshcryer Aug 2014 #32
you were saying "no rockets" right? jberryhill Aug 2014 #37
I don't think it's appropriate at all. joshcryer Aug 2014 #39
Israels kids and PTSD? MFM008 Aug 2014 #53
who gave them a pass? jberryhill Aug 2014 #82
Yes we have, I remember making this post and this should tell you a few things. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #28
The rockets started flying first. joshcryer Aug 2014 #34
On a thread by bigtree. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #35
Yes, irrelevant. joshcryer Aug 2014 #36
Netanyahu's mass retribution turning a tragic crime into an act of war is what escalated both Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #38
Agree. n/t kiranon Aug 2014 #12
They were elected, weren't they? killbotfactory Aug 2014 #14
8 years ago. joshcryer Aug 2014 #16
Regardless, they hold power. What good does ignoring them do? nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #18
The mafia held power at one point. joshcryer Aug 2014 #23
And... ? Lots of governments around the world act like a mafia. nt killbotfactory Aug 2014 #26
Hard to call a mafia a government. joshcryer Aug 2014 #31
Yeah, and the US negotiated with them jberryhill Aug 2014 #33
They were about to hold elections after the unity government agreement between Fatah/Hamas and Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #30
Netanyahu doesn't have mind control to make Hamas fire rockets. joshcryer Aug 2014 #40
Being blockaded in a dense open air prison, Ghetto with a 70% poverty rate creates a powder keg Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #42
Hamas wasn't "triggered" to allow rocket stockpiling. joshcryer Aug 2014 #44
Why not? Their members were being rounded up in mass numbers for the actions of two. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #46
So, they stockpiled rockets for this occasion? joshcryer Aug 2014 #47
If all you have are rocks that's what you stock up on, they have no air force, no navy, no tanks, Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #48
I don't see how rockets help the situation. joshcryer Aug 2014 #50
It's a matter of pride. If you can't stop a well-armed imperial power from destroying your eridani Aug 2014 #51
Look what their pride has gotten them leftynyc Aug 2014 #55
Israel will proceed with mass murder regardless of what they do. eridani Aug 2014 #56
I stopped reading leftynyc Aug 2014 #64
Hamas just joined a unity government that goes against its charter eridani Aug 2014 #65
It was the rockets leftynyc Aug 2014 #66
Hamas joined a unity government that recognizes Israel, period eridani Aug 2014 #67
How lovely (and pointed) leftynyc Aug 2014 #68
The consequences of the rockets have been one casualty, period eridani Aug 2014 #69
They're nothing but a symbol of defiance, but that's all they have. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #52
That's like saying Cliven Bundy and his AK47s are a symbol. joshcryer Aug 2014 #57
Yea, because 1.8 million impoverished people trapped in an open air prison ghetto is like a man that Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #83
Palestine has a right to defend itself. If not Hamas, some form of Palestinian military morningfog Aug 2014 #29
The rockets have zero defensive purpose. joshcryer Aug 2014 #41
But long range artillery into an urban area, armed drones, bombs dropped...all defensive.?..... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #73
Interesting. Quite the contrast to Clinton's recent thoughts on the matter. nt adirondacker Aug 2014 #19
Carter isn't thinking about running for office again. n/t hughee99 Aug 2014 #22
He's right. And had we "recognized" Saddam there would have been no need for invading...BUT kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #20
knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #21
I'll take Jimmy Carter's word for it. He knows more than anybody in the world... Peace Patriot Aug 2014 #49
Let's face it... FarPoint Aug 2014 #58
Carter is wrong and only a moron would do what he suggests. badtoworse Aug 2014 #60
here is a list of morons who have been advocating exactly that for years Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #62
See Post 70. Powell talked about a dialogue with Hamas, not recognition ot its legitimacy. badtoworse Aug 2014 #71
Destruction of "Israel" not the destruction of Jews. It's really about land and resources. kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #63
Hamas has never recognized Israel's right to exist and has always been committed to its destruction. badtoworse Aug 2014 #70
OBVIOUSLY!! To quote a former Israeli Foreign Minister: Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #61
I suppose that could help. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #76
K&R emsimon33 Aug 2014 #80
K&R! G_j Aug 2014 #81
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