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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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103. Anyone who is willing to torture another human being

Reply to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Wed Aug 6, 2014, 02:09 PM

Aug 2014

should be willing to spend years in jail.

Even averting a far greater crime should not be an excuse for committing acts of torture.

I would not one person tortured if I knew that the act it would prevent is my own death. And I hope those I love and respect would feel the same way.

I do enjoy being alive, but not if the price of my life is barbarities committed in my name.

That way lies totalitarianism and dictatorship and fascism.

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On torture: I Trust President Obama [View all] Michigander_Life Aug 2014 OP

I predict greatness for this thread.... Coventina Aug 2014 #1

Thanks Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #5

I think you might be misunderstanding the jury system. Coventina Aug 2014 #12

Activist juries censor unpopular opinions; good juries enforce the community standards Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #18

If you honestly feel that you have been unfairly censored, I recommend you take it up in ATA. Coventina Aug 2014 #24

So have you consider why.... daleanime Aug 2014 #29

Not only that, but those "activist" juries almost always censor RW trolls, socks, and zombies Zorra Aug 2014 #56

Welcome to Democrat Underground! n/t Orsino Aug 2014 #117

Heh, good one! n/t betsuni Aug 2014 #124

Thanks, you too! Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #125

"Activist juries"? WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2014 #17

I thought the same thing... ReRe Aug 2014 #78

He's mad he was PPRed as MichiganDem58... WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2014 #81

"activist juries" Hm... that sounds familiar... where have I heard that before? cui bono Aug 2014 #88

But, but, even Shepard Smith says NO PassingFair Aug 2014 #131

With 17+ Intel agencies, there should be no 'credible threats' leftstreet Aug 2014 #2

I'm sure knowing that the law enforcement are assclowns Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #6

"millions of deceased in the aforementioned scenario..." Pholus Aug 2014 #48

OMG, I finally watched Sharknado last night on Netflix. kas125 Aug 2014 #129

Excellent! Pholus Aug 2014 #133

I really want to see that one, too. kas125 Aug 2014 #134

There is no scenario under which War Crimes, and torture is a war crime, is ever sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #3

Torture teaches a very important lesson - people will say things to stop being tortured. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #4

No doubt Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #8

A lie is not better than nothing - it's worse than nothing. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #13

I don't know about that Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #23

I recommend you read "The Black Banners" by Ali Soufan Coventina Aug 2014 #25

Well I'd like to believe you aren't of a mindset where you would el_bryanto Aug 2014 #64

Please see post #70 n/t DeadLetterOffice Aug 2014 #87

Just as long as no nipples are exposed during the torture. QC Aug 2014 #7

NSFW Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #11

"But that's why we elect our leaders -- to make those decisions"... To break the law!? MrTriumph Aug 2014 #9

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #10

Torture violates the Geneva Conventions, and is a war crime. Anyone who shraby Aug 2014 #14

Instant DU classic! pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #15

That's not an apt comparison. One is a fictional character created by right wingers. The Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #20

Right up there with the Oscar thread...and just as unbelieveable.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #34

The Oscar thread was a lot more enjoyable, and a lot less like turning over a rock. nt Hekate Aug 2014 #118

+1 pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #126

With torture, it is black and white. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #16

yes, one either tortures or they don't. and it DOES NOT work. spanone Aug 2014 #132

Sounds much like a rather melodramatic way of simply saying, "doing the right thing" LanternWaste Aug 2014 #19

No, we elect leaders to honor the constitution and make decisions in the framework of our laws and TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #21

that might be a tough moral quandary if that fantasy existed outside hollywood. unblock Aug 2014 #22

Torture is never justfiable LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #26

Can you show me these posts LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #50

They're all over the place LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #52

you are mischaracterizing what is going on, m-lekktor Aug 2014 #76

No, they aren't LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #80

So you have nothing. laundry_queen Aug 2014 #82

I haven't seen one yet. Please provide something to back up your claim. cui bono Aug 2014 #112

President Obama does deserve credit for using the "T" word stranger81 Aug 2014 #51

nobody is blaming him. just annoyed that he said get over it m-lekktor Aug 2014 #74

I agree on transparency, which the Bush administration lacked. moriah Aug 2014 #27

Wasn't this an episode of 24? Or was it a Bond movie? No wait, it was a Ben Affleck flick.. NightWatcher Aug 2014 #28

Jason Bourne. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #31

Torture always seems to work in movies and on TV. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #33

That was like every episode of 24 bhikkhu Aug 2014 #58

If you trust the President, why would you argue torture is acceptable? BainsBane Aug 2014 #30

The President has banned torture. So, apparently, you don't trust him. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #32

Torture has always been banned / illegal. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #35

Welcome to DU!!! Who were you before? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #37

LOL LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #40

Pretty sure he was that michigandem58 or whatever. morningfog Aug 2014 #47

That's what I thought when I first saw this poster... cui bono Aug 2014 #113

Rationalizing and justifying torture. Iggo Aug 2014 #36

Ho...ly...fucking...christ LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #38

Hey, it's a tough job that this guy has, working hard under enormous pressure and he's a real ... muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #116

. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #39

Has the activist jury weighed in yet? pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #43

I don't know. But I'd trust activist jury members on cyber torture. I mean Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #53

Good one! deurbano Aug 2014 #102

Welcome to DU, Britney geomon666 Aug 2014 #41

You get this . . . Brigid Aug 2014 #65

+1! First thing I though of too n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #71

How many lives have we sacrificed because we didn't torture someone? NightWatcher Aug 2014 #42

"Tortured some folks" AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #44

Flame bait torture apologia. Torture is never okay. morningfog Aug 2014 #45

No, we do NOT elect leaders to do our thinking for us. winter is coming Aug 2014 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #49

My brain just died. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #54

Then you've got something in common with the OP. winter is coming Aug 2014 #59

gotta highlight these threads justifying/advocating torture bigtree Aug 2014 #55

I can't believe on a supposedly Democratic board... TDale313 Aug 2014 #57

No. Never should torture be acceptable. Never. Period. MerryBlooms Aug 2014 #60

The self-rec, always a sign you are destined for greatness. Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #61

Yes, and so far it's the only rec. TDale313 Aug 2014 #68

Well, now there's a second rec, but they're puzzled. cui bono Aug 2014 #91

Lol BainsBane Aug 2014 #114

How much torture do we have to rationalize with hypotheticals to sacrifice morality. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #62

I couldn't find it in a quick google search, but I remember reading about Coventina Aug 2014 #66

What if, what if? Please let's stick to the real world Distant Quasar Aug 2014 #63

I do not elect leaders to give them the authority Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #67

When did President Obama indicate that he would approve torture? GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #69

Yes, Michigan, there HAVE been studies. DeadLetterOffice Aug 2014 #70

WTF??????????????????????? Marrah_G Aug 2014 #72

Oh I suppose you'd be happy with President McCain being in charge of torturing some folks? Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #73

To be fair, having been tortured, TDale313 Aug 2014 #77

I only trust Democrats to torture! m-lekktor Aug 2014 #83

I don't trust anyone who would torture or authorize torture....or excuse it. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #75

But here be the rub Savannahmann Aug 2014 #79

"We elect leaders like President Obama to make the most difficult decisions..."?! mr blur Aug 2014 #84

Yeah, that sounded like the Republican line on elections derby378 Aug 2014 #85

Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch. Who the hell are you again? Hekate Aug 2014 #86

Several people have pointed out that Obama has banned torture BainsBane Aug 2014 #110

Interesting that we had the same hypotheticals come up before Obama was POTUS, cui bono Aug 2014 #89

I trust Obama to use torture responsibly Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #90

What is responsible torture? cui bono Aug 2014 #93

It really strikes at the heart of the problem, blind trust is dangerous. Rex Aug 2014 #104

It's not possible to use torture responsibly. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #94

Seriously, what is responsible torture? cui bono Aug 2014 #109

If it's being done patriotically and under pressure, apparently. historylovr Aug 2014 #128

WTF? " I trust Obama to use torture responsibly" Marrah_G Aug 2014 #130

Obama has stated time and time again that he does not believe in torture Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #92

Do you trust the next President? Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #95

Obama banned torture. Full stop. frazzled Aug 2014 #96

"he will not put previous administration members on trial to satisfy people's anger" Demit Aug 2014 #98

Deaf ears, Demit. sibelian Aug 2014 #100

That you would trust anyone with torture speaks volumes about you. Rex Aug 2014 #97

Not only that, but if you think Obama SHOULDN'T be trusted to use torture responsibly sibelian Aug 2014 #99

That sounds like what wing nuts said about W upaloopa Aug 2014 #101

Anyone who is willing to torture another human being Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #103

With what is currently going on at GITMO.... NCTraveler Aug 2014 #105

Strange is one way to describe it. Iggo Aug 2014 #108

Your scenario sounds like a plot for 24. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #106

You're a real non-sanctimonious patriot muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #107

Ticking time bomb... Orsino Aug 2014 #111

how about we just... don't torture, period. dionysus Aug 2014 #115

UN Convention Against Torture - ratified by USA 1994: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #119

LOL, can't tell if you are serious. nt Logical Aug 2014 #120

Step away from the television. 24 is not a reality show. I repeat 24 is not a reality show Autumn Aug 2014 #121

I read about this thread. In before the pizza. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #122

Oh, I saw this movie betsuni Aug 2014 #123

The OP author would torture the busdriver pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #127

K & Unrec! Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #135