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In reply to the discussion: So, *you* want a king. Well, *I* don't. [View all]bluesbassman
(20,384 posts)230. Here's a little history on the subject...
In its first months in office, the Obama administration sought to protect Bush administration officials facing criminal investigation overseas for their involvement in establishing policies the that governed interrogations of detained terrorist suspects. A "confidential" April 17, 2009, cable sent from the US embassy in Madrid to the State Departmentone of the 251,287 cables obtained by WikiLeaksdetails how the Obama administration, working with Republicans, leaned on Spain to derail this potential prosecution.
The previous month, a Spanish human rights group called the Association for the Dignity of Spanish Prisoners had requested that Spain's National Court indict six former Bush officials for, as the cable describes it, "creating a legal framework that allegedly permitted torture." The six were former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; David Addington, former chief of staff and legal adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney; William Haynes, the Pentagon's former general counsel; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense for policy; Jay Bybee, former head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel; and John Yoo, a former official in the Office of Legal Counsel. The human rights group contended that Spain had a duty to open an investigation under the nation's "universal jurisdiction" law, which permits its legal system to prosecute overseas human rights crimes involving Spanish citizens and residents. Five Guantanamo detainees, the group maintained, fit that criteria.
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The case eventually came to be overseen by another judge who last spring asked the parties behind the complaint to explain why the investigation should continue. Several human rights groups filed a brief urging this judge to keep the case alive, citing the Obama administration's failure to prosecute the Bush officials. Since then, there's been no action. The Obama administration essentially got what it wanted. The case of the Bush Six went away.
Back when it seemed that this case could become a major international issue, during an April 14, 2009, White House briefing, I asked press secretary Robert Gibbs if the Obama administration would cooperate with any request from the Spaniards for information and documents related to the Bush Six. He said, "I don't want to get involved in hypotheticals." What he didn't disclose was that the Obama administration, working with Republicans, was actively pressuring the Spaniards to drop the investigation. Those efforts apparently paid off, and, as this WikiLeaks-released cable shows, Gonzales, Haynes, Feith, Bybee, Addington, and Yoo owed Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton thank-you notes.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation
The previous month, a Spanish human rights group called the Association for the Dignity of Spanish Prisoners had requested that Spain's National Court indict six former Bush officials for, as the cable describes it, "creating a legal framework that allegedly permitted torture." The six were former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; David Addington, former chief of staff and legal adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney; William Haynes, the Pentagon's former general counsel; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense for policy; Jay Bybee, former head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel; and John Yoo, a former official in the Office of Legal Counsel. The human rights group contended that Spain had a duty to open an investigation under the nation's "universal jurisdiction" law, which permits its legal system to prosecute overseas human rights crimes involving Spanish citizens and residents. Five Guantanamo detainees, the group maintained, fit that criteria.
~snip~
The case eventually came to be overseen by another judge who last spring asked the parties behind the complaint to explain why the investigation should continue. Several human rights groups filed a brief urging this judge to keep the case alive, citing the Obama administration's failure to prosecute the Bush officials. Since then, there's been no action. The Obama administration essentially got what it wanted. The case of the Bush Six went away.
Back when it seemed that this case could become a major international issue, during an April 14, 2009, White House briefing, I asked press secretary Robert Gibbs if the Obama administration would cooperate with any request from the Spaniards for information and documents related to the Bush Six. He said, "I don't want to get involved in hypotheticals." What he didn't disclose was that the Obama administration, working with Republicans, was actively pressuring the Spaniards to drop the investigation. Those efforts apparently paid off, and, as this WikiLeaks-released cable shows, Gonzales, Haynes, Feith, Bybee, Addington, and Yoo owed Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton thank-you notes.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation
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"We can't put an American President in Jail"-that's what I was told at the time about Nixon, anyway.
PoliticAverse
Aug 2014
#1
I gladly stipulate I owe much of the weight & wisdom of the remark to the book
truedelphi
Aug 2014
#223
The problem isn't about prosecuting the problem is getting a conviction and
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#77
No, its just the cost of living in the real world rather than the pretend one
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#211
"Right is right and wrong is wrong. There IS NO wiggle room between the two." Are you pro choice?
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#233
As am I however on the flip side abortion kills a fetus but there are legit reasons
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#239
No where did I say that the president was or should normalize torture rather I am pointing out
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#243
I've felt like I've been on the verge of puking ever since I first heard the horrid statement last
kath
Aug 2014
#81
What negotiations? I Don't Recall Congress voting to prosecute Timothy McVeigh.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#118
I don't get that either. Prosecute or be complicit, there is nothing to barter.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#137
Caught with your pants down..you got you direct quotes from this thread bwah haaa haaa
Sheepshank
Aug 2014
#205
your nobility is overshadowed by your own past rhetoric...look above for example
Sheepshank
Aug 2014
#189
I'd like to think that Obama had some sort of figurative gun to his head. n/t
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#30
But you gotta love the calories burned in the (typical) pretense of innocence
Number23
Aug 2014
#105
At this point, DU probably has a dedicated server to handle the alerts on me
MannyGoldstein
Aug 2014
#116
Has Bush left the U.S. since Obama took office? I seem to recall at least one time
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#167
Yes, he has traveled but does keep canceling trips if there is threat of arrest
BrotherIvan
Aug 2014
#168
Yes, I think Cheney and maybe Rumsfeld might die first. Bush will become a severe alcoholic
BrotherIvan
Aug 2014
#177
Don't you know the ultimate punishment for them is to lose their job in power?
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2014
#86
Well it WOULD be hypocritical if Manny was advocating the prosecution of Obama for war crimes
sibelian
Aug 2014
#196
People have been put to death for the same offenses, I grant zero wiggle room.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#123
Yes, people have been punished for torture, but it is doubtful that ordinary criminal laws against
Vattel
Aug 2014
#127
TORTURE. It <<is>> a black or white issue. You're either FOR it, or AGAINST it. And silence=consent.
blkmusclmachine
Aug 2014
#145
Bushies "... owed Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton thank-you notes."
Pholus
Aug 2014
#209