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Sarah Ibarruri

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Sun Apr 8, 2012, 08:22 PM Apr 2012

For those who don't know what the "Greece" problem in Europe is about - here's the explanation [View all]

This is an article by an Australian professor of social policy at the University of Sydney in Australia.

http://inequality.org/greek-debt-crisis/

Here are some excerpts:

What’s going on in Europe is: not much, really. Greece makes up less than 2% of the European Union’s combined national income. The German economy could eat 10 Greeces for breakfast and still have room left over to eat Finland for lunch. The problems of the Greek economy are only a big deal because a few politically powerful European banks made investments that they now regret. Not just banks, but hedge funds. So-called “vulture” funds have bought up troubled Greek bonds at a big discount. These hedge funds are now using their powerful political connections to lobby for full payment of Greece’s debt. In other words, these vulture hedge funds have bought Greek bonds at 25 cents on the dollar but are pushing for full payment. They’re not going to get full payment. It was reported in June that the French (it’s always the French, isn’t it?) floated the idea of just having the ECB buy back the bonds on the open market — that is, at 25 cents on the dollar — but the banks and hedge funds would have none of that. The French proposal was quickly shouted down. Full payment is the demand; wring your hands, talk a lot, and pay 50 cents is the current agreement on what will actually happen. And the banks and hedge funds are still pushing for at least a few more pennies.

The Greek government is being forced to raise sales taxes on the goods that ordinary people buy, but has been warned not to raise income or investment taxes on the rich. Government employees are having their salaries and pensions cut. People are being forced to work longer and retire later. And the government has been ordered to sell off state-owned companies.

A pro-worker solution to the Greek debt crisis would come in two parts. First, force those who have long evaded their taxes to start paying them. Millionaire shipowners, corporate executives, and highly-paid professionals should be the target. Second, let Greece reimburse bondholders the amounts they actually paid for their bonds. Then Greece could retire its debt in dignity instead of through begging from the ECB.

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The vast majority of the bonds were exchanged for a significant haircut. This is outdated info. dkf Apr 2012 #1
Outdated? By how much is it outdated? Did you read the full article? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #4
The swap has gone through with CDS's triggered. dkf Apr 2012 #7
This kind of economic conflict lead to WWII. It could happen again. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #13
This kind of economic conflict did NOT lead to WWII. British and French guarantees of coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #14
Yes. This kind of economic depression and class differences lead to the rise of Hitler. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #27
I think you are confusing chronological proximity with coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #28
Having lived in Germany and Austria and having discussed this JDPriestly Apr 2012 #29
I would never disparage social history and its various media (such as oral coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #32
Have you read The Lost City by John Gunther? JDPriestly Apr 2012 #33
Have not read that specific work by Gunther. I have read some of his coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #34
The new Standard Strategy of the 1% bongbong Apr 2012 #21
As for the Greek hair stylist... justice1 Apr 2012 #11
With no funds in govt, since they weren't collecting taxes as they ought to have been. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #20
So it's only hedge funds that are holding Greek debt? Sounds like baloney to me. badtoworse Apr 2012 #2
Higher sales taxes? I hope they cheat on that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #3
Greece has already collapsed. This is what an orderly collapse looks like. banned from Kos Apr 2012 #6
Greece is not the problem for the EU that they make it out to be... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #5
Read above...the debts are now mostly held by European taxpayers. dkf Apr 2012 #8
Yes and no. badtoworse Apr 2012 #9
The Problem Is The Solution DallasNE Apr 2012 #10
I'm the furthest thing from an economist the world has ever seen, however... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #25
The expectation of being repaid is an absolutely essential element of any lending arrangement. badtoworse Apr 2012 #26
Not really, Greek tax cheats are mostly the uber wealthy because they have political control. fasttense Apr 2012 #17
They may have a larger impact because they have more income badtoworse Apr 2012 #18
I completely agree. Greece has been a paradise for the mega-rich. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #22
Wasn't that the point of the CIA intervention and the Junta in '67? leveymg Apr 2012 #23
Same old story: the rich versus a true people's democracy, but, of course, Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #24
Also, Greece can't be allowed to default kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #12
And if there's not enough thistle and roadkill, they can always fall coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #15
Any debt that cannot be repaid will not be repaid, and that is a tsuki Apr 2012 #16
Apparently, Greece was collecting a minutiae in taxes, and that's the way the country was run - Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #19
Greece's tax collections were not far out of line with the rest of the Eurozone. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #30
Could you post the chart? It was inadvertently left out. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #31
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