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Orrex

(67,084 posts)
37. Zero risk of default? Ultimately, very close to it..
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 09:40 AM
Aug 2014

Assuming that the borrower has any income at all, his wages will be garnished until he comes out of default, regardless of the hardship that this inflicts, and then the repayment will continue until the debt is cured. Unless the borrower is lucky enough to die or become permanently and totally disabled, the lender will get its money. The lender faces no risk except delayed repayment, and the penalties and interest on the loan will greatly exceed any losses to which the lender is exposed in the meantime.

As for a zero interest rate, that is ridiculous on its face. Banks are in business to make money, just like any other business.
Well, yeah. But there's no justification for interest rates that exceed the rate of inflation, since the risk of default, again, is very close to zero. And there should be a lifetime cap on penalties, not to exceed--say--15 percent of the borrowed principal. Inescapable debt is not a blank check for the lenders to fuck their victims for decades at a time, but that's how it's been used and continues to be used.

As for the consequences of not paying back the loan, I think the onus should be on the borrower to review the terms of the loan and understand what they are getting into. Same logic applies for the potential consequences of co-signing.
Since we are facing a nationwide catastrophe of student loan debt, I'd say that something needs to change on the supply side, rather than scolding the millions of victims. The language of the loan agreement should be in plain English easily accessible to the average reader; I can think of no reason why the terms can't be entirely laid out in 200 words or less. We're not talking about an intricate, nuanced debt instrument spanning national borders with fifty-nine cosignors; it's an straightforward agreement between two or three parties at most.

You're not actually proposing any solutions, by the way. You're articulating various methods by which we can continue to shit on the grieving family and everyone else who's been fucked over by student loans. There is no shortage of people eager to say "what you should have done is this," which is simply a frenzy of victim-blaming. What we need are people who are able to say "here is what you can do now."

Judge Smails said, "The world needs ditch diggers too".
Seriously? You channel the worst caricature of entitled Republican assholery for your mantra? Smails can stuff his ugly hat up his ass.

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The Federal government is a culprit in this...the whole student loan process is a disgrace randys1 Aug 2014 #1
If they co-signed for the loans, then of course they are responsible for paying them. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #2
Yup. Agschmid Aug 2014 #5
They're not. Igel Aug 2014 #7
I guess it would be a good idea to carry life insurance on your kid if you are Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #10
That is a good idea, if you have co-signed for them badtoworse Aug 2014 #12
For a healthy 20-something adult with no bad habits , Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #13
That's an excellent idea for any co-signed loan. MineralMan Aug 2014 #14
Exactly. Either people are stupid or think laws don't apply to them joeglow3 Aug 2014 #16
That's a cruel and false dichotomy Orrex Aug 2014 #21
Thanks. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #25
Bullshit joeglow3 Aug 2014 #26
I'm not telling you to hold back Orrex Aug 2014 #27
If student loans could be discharged through bankruptcy, the interest rates would likely be higher. badtoworse Aug 2014 #29
Ergo: Orrex Aug 2014 #31
Bankruptcy is not the only risk or consideration in setting loan rates badtoworse Aug 2014 #36
Zero risk of default? Ultimately, very close to it.. Orrex Aug 2014 #37
We're not going to agree on this badtoworse Aug 2014 #38
You didn't propose a solution Orrex Aug 2014 #39
I don't take joy at people struggling with debt, but I'm not willing to just forgive it either. badtoworse Aug 2014 #40
I am not shitting all over a grieving family joeglow3 Aug 2014 #30
RE: "the knowledge in your head" Orrex Aug 2014 #32
+100 nt LiberalEsto Aug 2014 #34
- Takket Aug 2014 #3
Or don't co-sign loans. joeglow3 Aug 2014 #17
I think this is only in the case of the parents having cosigned the loan. enough Aug 2014 #4
The problem is private bank loans that parent's cosign for Marrah_G Aug 2014 #6
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #8
In answer to your statement Stargazer99 Aug 2014 #9
George R. R. Martin called. He wants to know if you have any other epic fantasy ideas he could use. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #19
If a repuke is elected POTUS hifiguy Aug 2014 #11
Something I didn't see mentioned, when the student loan goes through shraby Aug 2014 #15
So, you pay $5 a month for a term life policy on the student. joeglow3 Aug 2014 #18
"Honestly, I am surprised banks don't offer it..." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #20
Even if they did laundry_queen Aug 2014 #23
That would be true for any loan you co-sign for. tammywammy Aug 2014 #22
Is there a link please? I would like to know for sure if it is only onecent Aug 2014 #24
If you co-sign on a loan then you should also get term life insurance on the borrower mwrguy Aug 2014 #28
The law passed 74-25 in the Senate. 73 House Dems voted for it. BKH70041 Aug 2014 #33
That is only true if liberalhistorian Aug 2014 #35
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