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LeftishBrit

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156. The second, but one does not justify or even relate to the other

Thu Aug 7, 2014, 10:50 AM

Aug 2014

This happened in Australia, not Israel; and reflects the anti-Semitism of some teenage thugs, who may or may not grow out of it.

'Some people on this and other threads will take any opportunity to argue that Jews around the world are not responsible for Israeli crimes (which is perfectly correct) and no one should seek to try and punish Jews for Israeli crimes (again which is perfectly correct), YET with the very next breath these people will turn around and be ok that Israel blockades and punishes all Gazans because they don't like Hamas.'

Collective punishment is wrong IMO, whoever does it.

I haven't seen anyone on this thread say that it's perfectly OK to punish all Gazans for the actions of Hamas, so why are you being pre-emptive about it?

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Jewish schools on alert after eight men threaten to cut schoolchildren�s throats (Australia) [View all] oberliner Aug 2014 OP

this is not helping the palestinian cause frylock Aug 2014 #1

why do you assume it has anything to do with the palestinian cause ? i have said in many threads JI7 Aug 2014 #3

They are alleged to have said "Free Palestine" and "F-ck Israel" oberliner Aug 2014 #8

yes, it's an excuse to spew anti semitic views they have already held JI7 Aug 2014 #9

You could be right oberliner Aug 2014 #12

i guess same way teabaggers are misguided in their hate JI7 Aug 2014 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Aug 2014 #142

This is correct. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #168

It's opportunism on the part of a hate group. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #114

How so? oberliner Aug 2014 #130

antisemitic whackjobs try to legitimize their insane hatred Ken Burch Aug 2014 #136

I am sure they were, since it turns out they are 6 teens who tblue37 Aug 2014 #144

No more and no less than a drunken redneck yahoo with a confederate flag on his dual-exhaust pick-up LanternWaste Aug 2014 #161

Yes of course, they were dispatched by Hamas. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #170

That is preposterous oberliner Aug 2014 #186

Of course it's preposterous. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #187

Good points oberliner Aug 2014 #190

Sure that's possible. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #193

Dream on. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #27

I don't see where it has anything to do with the Palestinian cause. These are evil thugs sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #113

They have been identified: they are six teens who were drunk tblue37 Aug 2014 #143

These were Australian Palestinians? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #169

The anti-Semites will take any excuse to be the assholes they are. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #2

Their Ayrian ideal? oberliner Aug 2014 #5

and you have people who try to excuse it by saying "if israel just ...................." JI7 Aug 2014 #6

Someone gonna show up and rationalize this as "blowback"? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #4

Not blowback. But inevitable. randome Aug 2014 #7

Thought so. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #10

you are implying that acknowledging the existence of it is condoning it. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #11

That's good that you don't approve. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #16

Yep. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #67

no civilized person could ever condone behavior like this - especially threatening children or Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #14

This is disgusting but I don't know if it's anti-Semitism malaise Aug 2014 #15

you don't "know if it's anti-semitism"? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #17

No I don't know malaise Aug 2014 #18

it's not different than the racist teabagging scum terrorizing the border kids JI7 Aug 2014 #19

Well it's nice of you to be so understanding of the people who threatened to kill the children on Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #20

Understanding? malaise Aug 2014 #21

what does threatening school kids in another country have to do with gaza or bibi ? JI7 Aug 2014 #22

Nothing for those of us who can separate issues malaise Aug 2014 #23

is it coincidence that brown people were shot right after 9/11 ? JI7 Aug 2014 #25

There's a difference - the official narrative after 9/11 made it open season for brown people malaise Aug 2014 #28

and you don't know if someone who uses the N word against black kids is racist ? JI7 Aug 2014 #31

I think that saying, "Kill all the Jews," is self-evidently antisemitic, even though tblue37 Aug 2014 #145

Using Gaza as cover doesn't help or stop the act from being anti-Semitic, hateful and cowardly. kiranon Aug 2014 #26

You are 100% correct n/t MrBig Aug 2014 #35

You wouldn't get on a bus of Jewish schoolchildren and shout "Heil Hitler" oberliner Aug 2014 #36

If you are implying Aerows Aug 2014 #40

I think she doesn't have any understanding of what it is, based on her post. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #42

Oh Aerows Aug 2014 #44

And, made of straw. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #47

Here is the horse your original argument is predicated upon Aerows Aug 2014 #50

What argument is that? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #54

It's interesting how some folks are Aerows Aug 2014 #57

Another non-responsive response, huh? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #62

Oh, I think Aerows Aug 2014 #64

Sure. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #66

Reading this subthread makes me want to bang my head against the wall... Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #63

Nah, I'm done. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #68

Have to wonder some time GP6971 Aug 2014 #91

The opposite oberliner Aug 2014 #48

We just had a TV sportscaster fired here malaise Aug 2014 #41

There is plenty of ignorance Aerows Aug 2014 #43

Precisely malaise Aug 2014 #45

It's well said if the point is to change the subject. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #49

Do you think that person was displaying anti-semitism in doing so? oberliner Aug 2014 #51

That person knows nothing about anything malaise Aug 2014 #55

So screaming at a busload of children "we're gonna kill all you Jews" stops being Anti-Semitic Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #56

To some people on this website MrBig Aug 2014 #59

Please point to where Aerows Aug 2014 #61

Just go through this thread MrBig Aug 2014 #74

I actually responded to that thread. Aerows Aug 2014 #75

I respect your response in that thread MrBig Aug 2014 #119

I cannot explain why people want to kill each other. Aerows Aug 2014 #123

With regard to the ignorant moronic screaming at those children, the Israeli slaughter malaise Aug 2014 #60

What if someone responded to the attack on 9/11 by threatening Arab-American schoolchildren? oberliner Aug 2014 #72

What about Aerows Aug 2014 #81

Several children were "actually" killed in the 9/11 attacks. onenote Aug 2014 #101

All motives are not created equal Aerows Aug 2014 #103

Intent/ motive can cross over..not always one thing. Of course it is anti-semetic against the Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #82

That's what I got out of it, too Aerows Aug 2014 #84

People can have more than one, and they can utilize a crisis to act out because they are already Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #88

I know Aerows Aug 2014 #90

Yes, the children will need support and explaining these awful acts is not easy..these assholes Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #93

There is a problem with the way this is being discussed malaise Aug 2014 #87

do you seriously think these fuckers give a shit about palestinians ? JI7 Aug 2014 #95

How should this be discussed? oberliner Aug 2014 #109

Malaise, don't you think that when ignorant, angry people... countryjake Aug 2014 #116

It isn't Malaise Aerows Aug 2014 #125

I'll take a wild guess... TreasonousBastard Aug 2014 #138

Glad we agree Aerows Aug 2014 #139

A distinction without any difference even if it is a "response" to Gaza the response is TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #173

Apparently so. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #146

+1 btrflykng9 Aug 2014 #153

Anti Semitic JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #33

Well said. nt Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #80

You make a good case King_David Aug 2014 #185

It most certainly is anti-Semitism and extremely cowardly. n/t kiranon Aug 2014 #24

Threatening to murder Jews, because they are jews isn't anti-semitic. Kurska Aug 2014 #30

The lengths people will go... MrBig Aug 2014 #34

I was waiting for the sarcasm tag MrBig Aug 2014 #32

Say what, dude? Scootaloo Aug 2014 #98

You don't know if it's anti-semitism? Holy crap is this a disturbing post. WhollyHeretic Aug 2014 #111

I'm disturbed that you don't see that. nt Codeine Aug 2014 #117

What??? How much clearer 840high Aug 2014 #118

Oh, bullshit. Of course it's antisemitism. Gaza is just the excuse n/t eridani Aug 2014 #131

Australian Jewish schoolchildren have nothing to do with the death and destruction in Gaza LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #148

If only Israelis would do the same, outside the Middle East, so the U.N. could condemn them. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #29

I was ready to make a smart ass remark MrBig Aug 2014 #37

If this is not anti-semitism then what is? oberliner Aug 2014 #39

I agree MrBig Aug 2014 #53

This has fuck all to do with Gaza. bravenak Aug 2014 #38

Here's something I just read with a bit more detail... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #46

Thanks for the added info oberliner Aug 2014 #52

How the bus driver acted is really weird... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #65

That is odd, and I imagine they'll investigate. The driver has a legal obligation to protect those Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #78

Thanks for your post malaise Aug 2014 #77

The cops tried to interview some of htem early this morning... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #96

By the stroy, that's exactly what happened - the bus driver just let them on Scootaloo Aug 2014 #102

I just read something that said he was obligated to let them on... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #129

But the bus was taking the children home from school oberliner Aug 2014 #132

I would have thought so as well... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #135

An outside force must demand both Israel and Hamas come to the table randys1 Aug 2014 #58

What side are Australian Jewish kids on a bus? oberliner Aug 2014 #69

I am responding to the issue that creates these sick actions by anyone anywhere randys1 Aug 2014 #71

Possibly oberliner Aug 2014 #73

Yeah, haters hate...but it would be nice if we could FORCE a resolution before anyone else dies randys1 Aug 2014 #76

I'm about to get on the Orange Line from Woodland Hills to North Hollywood DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #79

Before Gaza nobody hated Jews. Codeine Aug 2014 #121

I agree, but that has nothing to do with this thread LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #150

Traumatized innocent children, that is off the charts ugly. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #70

The insanity of 'protecting your children by killing theirs'. Rex Aug 2014 #83

Horrific event, sickening and as best they can parents and the school will need to help Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #85

I don't know, it is horrific. Rex Aug 2014 #86

That does it. These assholes with razor precision timing have me thinking that the 1900 murdered in GoneFishin Aug 2014 #89

Not sure I get what you are trying to say oberliner Aug 2014 #107

I don't believe that at exactly the right moment required to distract away from the horrors GoneFishin Aug 2014 #184

whats worse, thugs threatening innocent children OR Israeli mudering innocent children... politicman Aug 2014 #92

The second one oberliner Aug 2014 #94

i struggle to understand why they cant see murdering is worse than threatening politicman Aug 2014 #99

Do you really think these thugs wanted to punish Israeli supporters? oberliner Aug 2014 #100

you articulated it better than me... politicman Aug 2014 #108

The second, but one does not justify or even relate to the other LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #156

.... politicman Aug 2014 #157

That may be, but it's not relevant to this thread LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #162

Yes, screaming heil Hitler, and kill the Jews at Jewish schoolchildren is anti-Semitic octoberlib Aug 2014 #97

Exactly. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #104

They also ignore the fact that anti-Semitism was on the rise in Europe and octoberlib Aug 2014 #110

YUP! Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #137

+1000 JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #155

Is there video of the incident? mwrguy Aug 2014 #105

Not that I'm aware of oberliner Aug 2014 #106

There was video. They were identifed by CCTV on the bus. But I doubt they'll release it. freshwest Aug 2014 #140

+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #149

A post upstream said the police are looking Codeine Aug 2014 #122

The article I read on this earlier said that three teens were released... countryjake Aug 2014 #112

Why were these drunk older teenagers allowed on this bus? oberliner Aug 2014 #115

Oberliner, they had on school uniforms, school bus passes! countryjake Aug 2014 #120

As planned and premeditated as drunk teenagers can manage... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #126

Oh, so they were probably wearing their own school uniforms? countryjake Aug 2014 #127

I think it's a strong possibility that they were... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #133

The bus was carrying primary school children home from school oberliner Aug 2014 #128

Those children must be highly traumatized. This really is an act of terrorism and should be treated kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #124

I agree with the first sentence but not the second oberliner Aug 2014 #134

I hope they catch the bastards immediately. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #141

Absolutely disgusting LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author RFKHumphreyObama Aug 2014 #151

Absolutely vile and despicable. There is no excuse for this RFKHumphreyObama Aug 2014 #152

This thread took a crazy turn. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #154

+1 nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #158

+1 LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #163

Are you suggesting that is what malaise has done? I would think you don't, but if so, nothing Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #165

I was making a statement and not calling out any individual poster. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #166

An unfortunante approach which can lead one to tarnish another and be on there way without Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #167

I see my role here as merely leading the horses to the "proverbial" well./nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #171

Nay..a well without clarity. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #172

Anti-semitism existed prior to Israel becoming a modern state. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #174

Who said otherwise? You are going to add clarity to your first claims in this thread or not? Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #175

You insist on naming this person and that person DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #176

I think you're content to imply and without evidence. bye n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #177

Have a nice day, haver./nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #178

I'm sure anyone asking you for specifics is considered babble to you..no worries. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #179

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." NT DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #180

Correct. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #181

In another thread DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #183

It would have helped if the OP would have been clear that this occurred in AUSTRALIA MH1 Aug 2014 #188

Where did you initially think this took place? oberliner Aug 2014 #189

My "assumption" was that I had no idea, and it would be really nice if the OP MH1 Aug 2014 #191

OK - just curious oberliner Aug 2014 #192

Excellent, thanks. MH1 Aug 2014 #194

Where did this happen? treestar Aug 2014 #159

Pray tell, what imbecile would link the two, in any way?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #164

Australia. And No. LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #182

Despicable. These teens need to turn their lives around LittleBlue Aug 2014 #160