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In reply to the discussion: What is your principal objection to Torture? [View all]LWolf
(46,179 posts)88. At the core: lack of empathy.
The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), released by the American Psychiatric Association in 2013, lists both sociopathy and psychopathy under the heading of Antisocial Personality Disorders (ASPD). These disorders share many common behavioral traits which lead to the confusion between them. Key traits that sociopaths and psychopaths share include:
A disregard for laws and social mores
A disregard for the rights of others
A failure to feel remorse or guilt
A tendency to display violent behavior
A disregard for laws and social mores
A disregard for the rights of others
A failure to feel remorse or guilt
A tendency to display violent behavior
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
Psychopathy is the most dangerous of all antisocial personality disorders because of the way psychopaths dissociate emotionally from their actions, regardless of how terrible they may be. Many prolific and notorious serial killers, including the late Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy, and Dennis Rader ("Bind, Torture, Kill"
are unremorseful psychopaths.
Torture requires a disregard for the rights of others, a failure to feel remorse or guilt, violent behavior, and the ability to dissociate emotionally from actions.
People who can discuss torture in terms of effectiveness rather than in moral and ethical terms disturb me. To say the least.
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Only pieces of motherfucking shit order, participate in, excuse, justify, and/or condone torture.
Iggo
Aug 2014
#2
Personally, I'd say that debating the merits of torture based on it's utility is pretty close.
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2014
#11
That's my objection as well. Torture is NEVER to be used in a prisoner situation,
napi21
Aug 2014
#27
No, your poll offered a third alternative that encompassed both and you rejected it
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#61
So if we could be 90% sure that torturing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's son
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#50
No, but Khalid did and child torture is very effective in extracting information from a parent.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#60
Oh yeah? Well someone got some official letters from some lawyers that says it's a-ok...
PoliticAverse
Aug 2014
#31
Effectiveness is irrelevant. Torture is morally wrong, as are those who condone it. [n/t]
Maedhros
Aug 2014
#20
It's morally wrong and has no place in a civilised society founded on the rule of law.
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2014
#21
“May all that have life be delivered from suffering” ― Gautama Buddha
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2014
#23
Joe Navarro, one of the F.B.I.’s top experts in questioning techniques, told The New Yorker...
LanternWaste
Aug 2014
#25
If someone kidnapped my child and I was in a position to extract their location
Puzzledtraveller
Aug 2014
#32
And waste time hunting down bad leads based on the bogus information you'd get?
NuclearDem
Aug 2014
#42
Torture is wrong and the fact that is ineffective just further bolsters the complete wrongness
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#49
But this is a discussion about torture and I don't remember anyone condoning torture even for sex.
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#79