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61. Who is the lunatic fringe in which reform movement? Here, let me help with a few facts before

Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:39 PM

Aug 2014

you answer.

Torture was popular, still is among the lunatic fringes that supported Cheney/Bush.

On the left, being that the left is generally more informed on the rule of law and the Constitutional Rights of Americans, not to mention the oaths of office taken by our elected officials, and of course CIVIL RIGHTS.

We never expected the Lunatic Fringe that supported torture and illegal wars to care much about Civil Rights or the Geneva Conventions. So, we on the Left were outspoken against that LUNATIC FRINGE.

Bush/Cheney was a 'reform movement'? They sure had a lunatic fringe, a rabid lunatic fringe, but I don't recall what they were trying to reform, well not in a good way.

Was that who you meant?

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Why are people attacking Obama lately from the left? [View all] Harmony Blue Aug 2014 OP

It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #1

+1 darkangel218 Aug 2014 #2

+ another Scuba Aug 2014 #13

Amen! tech3149 Aug 2014 #21

This. hifiguy Aug 2014 #34

I've missed that one War Horse Aug 2014 #79

Try these: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #116

Another. historylovr Aug 2014 #36

Amen. 840high Aug 2014 #54

yeah, posting stuff like calling him a "piece of shit used car salesman" is really holding Obama KittyWampus Aug 2014 #82

And...? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #85

That was one post. Are you basing your entire argument on that one post??? cui bono Aug 2014 #94

Seems to be that poster's response every time hobbit709 Aug 2014 #102

^this Marrah_G Aug 2014 #106

Especially when he is about to start another Surge in Iraq-Nam warrant46 Aug 2014 #108

Do you think he will? darkangel218 Aug 2014 #111

I hope I'm wrong warrant46 Aug 2014 #113

Absolutely. 99Forever Aug 2014 #144

Maybe because Obama isn't left whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #3

policy over party PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #4

�Every reform movement has a lunatic fringe.� conservaphobe Aug 2014 #5

Yup Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #8

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #10

Examples? RobertEarl Aug 2014 #38

An incredibly dishonest characterization. /nt Marr Aug 2014 #66

The lunatic Right inhabits High Office War Horse Aug 2014 #75

Bullshit whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #76

+1 warrant46 Aug 2014 #114

Yes, the left has crazies too. cheapdate Aug 2014 #143

I don't think calling people tortured in our name, folks, is the problem. abakan Aug 2014 #163

So people criticizing some of the administration's policies are now the "lunatic fringe"? marmar Aug 2014 #19

They believe anything to the left of LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #45

A President who openly describes himself as being like Reagan, no less. Marr Aug 2014 #67

You know, he never did that.Ever. Reagan was a "consequential" president even if you hate him,& I do Hekate Aug 2014 #77

My mistake, I apologize. He compared himself to "moderate Republicans" of the Reagan era. Marr Aug 2014 #92

ironic- you have the NERVE to talk about "dishonesty" and yet post a blatant falsehood KittyWampus Aug 2014 #83

Who is the lunatic fringe in which reform movement? Here, let me help with a few facts before sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #61

Count me as a proud member of the "lunitic fringe" Marrah_G Aug 2014 #107

And the Dem's lunatic fringe is on the right end of the spectrum. cui bono Aug 2014 #155

Here's why... Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #6

He is committing us to another Iraq war for God's sake betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #149

^^^good example^^^ Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #150

Lately? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #7

Because at DU, they're not allowed to attack him from the right... SidDithers Aug 2014 #9

^^^ This right here. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #18

Your sigline's bagger banner sums up the right wing troglodytes hifiguy Aug 2014 #35

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+1 for self-awareness. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #28

... 840high Aug 2014 #57

Bingo. nt laundry_queen Aug 2014 #126

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He was probably the one that people most relied upon to set things straight after BushCo. cui bono Aug 2014 #110

That really is the saddest part. That he threw it all away. Mojorabbit Aug 2014 #158

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Because it is Wednesday jberryhill Aug 2014 #17

Two main reasons. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #22

Those are my thoughts as well. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #40

It is an opinion board and you can hide a thread Johonny Aug 2014 #23

+1. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #31

Because it's our solemn responsibility. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #24

He's not running.... AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #26

Lately? That started in November, 2008, right MineralMan Aug 2014 #27

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+1 countryjake Aug 2014 #84

+1 nt laundry_queen Aug 2014 #128

Only the "real Democrats" are. zappaman Aug 2014 #29

I think there is zero chance that Barack Obama can win a third term. Laelth Aug 2014 #30

A more realistic question is, "Why did Obama attack us from the right?" nt Zorra Aug 2014 #32

Ha! nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #41

WOW! grasswire Aug 2014 #55

No, that is not realistic in actual reality. tridim Aug 2014 #56

Brava! countryjake Aug 2014 #86

because republicans know that the president gets blamed for what congress doesn't do. unblock Aug 2014 #33

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I think you hit the nail on the head maxrandb Aug 2014 #39

I have to call bullshit on this: Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #43

the executive office handles enforcing the law questionseverything Aug 2014 #73

Because he's too far to the right? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #42

Why are center right self-reported Democrats supporting Obama lately? LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #44

Same thing happened in 2010� regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #46

Said it before I'll say it again. If the end product of your "left" activism is to elect Republicans stevenleser Aug 2014 #47

If we just all agree to keep moving LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #48

Except you have no proof for this trite assertion. Nice try though! nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #58

You seem confused LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #87

Nope, I'm not confused. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #119

Your recent appearancences on FOX could indicate that the contrary might be true. nt Electric Monk Aug 2014 #125

Observation over the past 20 - 30 years will back the poster to the hilt. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #131

That is not proof. that is your opinion. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #132

It's Obama's opinion as well since he said his policies are akin to those of moderate Republicans cui bono Aug 2014 #142

Holy fuck LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #147

You're right about moving to the right. I don't understand how people who think they are cui bono Aug 2014 #129

Again, you confuse opinion with fact. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #134

Again, you provide no refutation. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #136

I already provided facts you acknowledged as fact. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #137

That has nothing to do with anything. So you listed a few facts? You ignore the rest of the exchange cui bono Aug 2014 #140

Yep. Positive motivations matter little if they result in a negative reality. riqster Aug 2014 #53

And what has been the result of electing Dems no matter how moderate and close to Republicans cui bono Aug 2014 #117

A better economy? Health Care Reform? Lilly Ledbetter? Gays serving openly in the military? stevenleser Aug 2014 #118

Calling torturers "patriots"? Drone strikes killing innocent people? cui bono Aug 2014 #123

Mischaracterizations and distortions. Pretty much what I expected. stevenleser Aug 2014 #124

As did I list items that are not in dispute. cui bono Aug 2014 #127

I dispute them as do many others. So my items are not in dispute, yours are. stevenleser Aug 2014 #130

Go ahead and dispute then. I don't see you refuting anything. What about the rest of it? cui bono Aug 2014 #133

Once you have acknowledged that I wrote facts and you wrote opinion, its over. stevenleser Aug 2014 #135

I have not done that. And you have now proven that you are simply trying to twist the discussion cui bono Aug 2014 #138

You have. It's over. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #139

It was over when you failed to even try to have a discussion. cui bono Aug 2014 #141

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"Lately"? riqster Aug 2014 #51

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If the next Democratic president follows the same policies that would be logical, no? LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #88

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What basis do you have for saying that? cui bono Aug 2014 #112

So you have no basis for saying that. Thought so. cui bono Aug 2014 #154

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Anyone, who would claim sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #91

No one is attacking him. People are criticizing him for saying and doing outrageous things. cui bono Aug 2014 #93

lately? krawhitham Aug 2014 #97

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #99

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Obama is not running, but people are still R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2014 #101

There ya have it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #104

Nihilism. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #103

You may be right. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #121

Because they care about issues more then the party/administration line. Marrah_G Aug 2014 #105

Because we're sanctimonious torture-opposers.... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #109

They have become unhinged and the door is off the frame and laying on the floor. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #120

Why do you say "unhinged"? Show me posts that illustrate thta please. cui bono Aug 2014 #156

Do you follow current events at all? Demit Aug 2014 #122

Oh my God... the responses in this thread. Number23 Aug 2014 #145

omg... I know! cui bono Aug 2014 #161

Was that directed to me or to the imaginary rodent in your pocket? Number23 Aug 2014 #165

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He is getting us into Iraq again, endorsing torture, and acting like Bush betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #151

You can't take this site too seriously. . . daligirl519 Aug 2014 #152

Must we really say this again? cui bono Aug 2014 #157

Hasn't met expectations RadicalGeek Aug 2014 #153

The only expectations he hasn't dissappointed betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #159

Because he is the President? Tsiyu Aug 2014 #162

I am so scared Republicans will win polynomial Aug 2014 #164