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JDPriestly

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99. You should read the book.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 05:08 PM
Aug 2014

Hillary, in my opinion, has far too much of the wrong kind of experience. I do not like some of the things that Hillary has been a part of doing.

It also troubles me that when Hillary was hired by a law firm, she admits she did not do that well in litigation. I don't think she has the personality or the ability to think on her feet to win the White House. She doesn't relate to people the way Elizabeth Warren does.

Hillary has all the wrong experience. Voting for the Iraq War is one example.

She was unable to get health care reform through Congress.

And as I pointed out the TPP and Keystone Pipeline were negotiated in part under her time in the State Department. She served in Congress. But most of her political reputation is due to hanging onto Bill Clinton's coat-tails, and she is no Bill Clinton. She does not have his personality.

Elizabeth Warren taught law for years. She can explain complex ideas in simple language so that people understand. She has written books that took more intellect and judgment than Hillary's.

Elizabeth Warren understands the numbers. She is the person to reform our economy. And that is what we need. What good does it do if you have done a lot, but you are not prepared, willing or able to do what really needs to be done. Hillary's problem is that a lot of her experience is not relevant to solving our very fundamental economic problem.

And this is what I see our economic problem as being: We were founded as a nation of mostly farmers. We were mostly small farmers who were very independent. That's what we were in 1776-1813 and beyond. Then came the industrial revolution. We became a country of farmers and factory workers and miners. Workers organized. Farmers organized. Our economy was reformed -- somewhat but by no means enough for what came next.

In the 1930s, many farmers were driven from their farms. To survive, a farmer needed large expanses of land. People who left their farms began to move to the cities. This was part of what moved African-Americans from the South to the North. The sharecropping of small plots of land did not produce even a very basic living.

So, in the 1940s, 1950s and through to the 1980s and even the present, Americans moved from rural America into the cities or from farms into towns. People continued to work in factories until in the Reagan era and beyond. Increased international trade, i.e., cheap labor and the cheap imports that cheap labor produced resulted in the closing of those factories.

Now and since the 1990s the age of technology has changed our economy. People still live in cities. But the tax base that industry provided is gone. The service economy does not result so much in products that can be sold. The production of consumer products is done outside of the US. Incomes are falling in terms of buying power. We are in a crisis. It's getting hard for ordinary Americans to live well, to maintain a decent living standard in this service economy. It is not working. And it will get worse.

If we don't change things, sooner or later basic infrastructure like the supplying of clean water and providing working sewage systems could fail in cities. I don't need to tell you what disasters that would mean for Americans.

An example: I wanted to buy a pair of sandals. I knew what brand, what color, what size I wanted. I went to a department store in my area. They had my brand and size but not the color I wanted. So I ordered it online. Theoretically, the company I bought them from paid taxes to my state. But it did not pay them to my city. And it did not hire anyone to sell me the shoes here where I live. Jobs and taxes lost to my area.

Gradually we are all changing our lives to do more and more on the internet. But our economy, and especially our tax system, is still based on the old, industrial economy.

I do not think that Hillary (or any of the kinds of advisers that she is likely to pick if Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, etc. is any indication), is prepared to deal with this new economy, with the challenges it will bring.

We will have to change the fundamental concepts behind our tax code. We will no longer be able to rely primarily on personal income taxes. We are going to have to find something drastically different. The personal income taxes that can be easily collected, those on hourly wage earners and salaried employees are dwindling as the job market is changing and the incomes of ordinary people decreasing. We are going to have to make the 1% pay most of the taxes because they are enjoying most of the benefit, most of the increases in income from this new economy.

Hillary Clinton's social, political and personal ties, her ideas are bound to that old economy. Elizabeth Warren's too to some extent. But Elizabeth Warren is not as beholden to those who still see our country as it was 25 years ago. She has close relationships with a lot of young people -- her former students, her daughter and her grandchildren. Hillary -- not so much. It isn't a matter of having photo ops with young people. It is a matter of living in the economic reality that young people live with. Elizabeth Warren as a law professor has done that over the years. Hillary not so much.

On edit, I need to add here that Elizabeth Warren with a team did extensive research on why individuals file for bankruptcy. She understands why people get into debt and how they deal with it. She understands how families earn their income and how they spend it. She was instrumental in doing and writing about important economic research. That is why I think she is uniquely qualified to select people to make proposals on changing our economy. She is a leader in that area, the most important issue for America right now.

It's the economic challenges of our time and of the future that I think Elizabeth Warren will respond to better than Hillary. That's why I favor Elizabeth Warren.

If you read her book, you will learn many, many facts about her early life and her work. I cannot summarize them for you. You have to read it yourself. When you have read it, then I would like to know what you think.

Again, on edit. I could write a book on why I think that Elizabeth Warren will make a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. I won't do it here on DU. No. I'm not paid by Elizabeth Warren. She has never heard of me I am sure.

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The Klein article is silent on Caroline Kennedy's preference. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #1
Warren says the story is completely made up. That should be the end of it. n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #2
That can't be the end! We want her to run even though see said she won't! She used the wrong word! snooper2 Aug 2014 #4
I will not vote for Hillary whether Elizabeth Warren runs or not. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #21
Okay, I'll bite - what makes Elizabeth Warren more qualified than Hillary Clinton? George II Aug 2014 #23
I hope you're not holding your breath ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #51
Nah...it basically was a rhetorical question since there really is no answer. George II Aug 2014 #57
Actually, I'm having trouble writing an answer short enough to fit on DU. Taking a little JDPriestly Aug 2014 #89
In other words wyldwolf Aug 2014 #91
Have you read Elizabeth Warren's book. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #93
Quote the relevant parts wyldwolf Aug 2014 #95
Elizabeth Warren is not a socialist. Read her book. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #96
In other words you really can't answer those questions wyldwolf Aug 2014 #98
You should read the book. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #99
How many words did you just write? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #100
Why is Hillary qualified, because I dont' think Hillary is qualified. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #103
and then you divert from the question again and write another anti-clinton diatribe wyldwolf Aug 2014 #104
You need to read Elizabeth Warren's book. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #106
back to that again? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #107
What qualifications do you want president to have. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #109
I want you to stop diverting and tell me what Warren's are. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #110
Rather a one-sided conversation. I have written three posts answering your question. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #111
you've written three long diatribes about Clinton, then some touchy feely fanboy Warren stuff wyldwolf Aug 2014 #112
Define "qualifications," please. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #113
those things that make someone suitable for the presidency wyldwolf Aug 2014 #114
Fanboy seriously? davidpdx Aug 2014 #135
Fanboy seriously wyldwolf Aug 2014 #136
Look in the mirror davidpdx Aug 2014 #138
I have and I'm not wyldwolf Aug 2014 #139
Says the person who goes around calling people "fanboy" davidpdx Aug 2014 #140
If your only reason for supporting someone is they make you warm and tingly inside wyldwolf Aug 2014 #141
What relevant things did Barack Obama do before becoming president? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #115
You're STILL avoiding the question! LOL! And now you're dragging Obama into it. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #116
What did Obama or Clinton or Hillary or George W. Bush do legislatively before JDPriestly Aug 2014 #120
This is not about Reagan or Obama wyldwolf Aug 2014 #123
You've replied to the wrong person. NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #122
Here is why I think Elizabeth Warren would have broad appeal. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #128
You are obviously a very devoted Warren advocate ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #132
See my post #89. I give some of my reasons. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #90
can you name a democrat demigoddess Aug 2014 #81
Elizabeth Warren. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #92
Jan Schakowsky PassingFair Aug 2014 #105
Everyone bowing his head to HRC..... mylye2222 Aug 2014 #86
It's gone from love affair BainsBane Aug 2014 #38
Yeah. it's stupid of people to dream Union Scribe Aug 2014 #46
Yes it IS stupid to dream... brooklynite Aug 2014 #72
That's certainly what her press secretary, Ms. Rose, said. Laelth Aug 2014 #15
She certainly knows the main point of the story is false BainsBane Aug 2014 #16
I think she can safely speak for Elizabeth Warren. Laelth Aug 2014 #41
Elizabeth Warren knows that it was fabricated, and she told her press secretary. pnwmom Aug 2014 #17
I think Ms. Rose can safely speak for Elizabeth Warren. Laelth Aug 2014 #42
She must know then that Warren didn't go up there to sail in their boat pnwmom Aug 2014 #48
But Elizabeth Warren is not silent on the NY Post's article. MineralMan Aug 2014 #3
I have no reason to doubt her Press Secretary, Ms. Rose. Laelth Aug 2014 #6
She knows because her boss, Warren, told her it was completely made up. pnwmom Aug 2014 #18
Maybe because her boss, Elizabeth Warren, told her so? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #26
LOL Bill Clinton has been known to say that DC is a fact-free zone. DURHAM D Aug 2014 #30
Warren also signed a letter to Hillary from female US Senators asking her to run Gman Aug 2014 #8
Yeah, cause when someone talks about Kennedys BainsBane Aug 2014 #37
I don't think Caroline is authorized to speak for her entire family. Laelth Aug 2014 #44
Yet you don't believe Warren? BainsBane Aug 2014 #45
I believe her press secretary, Ms. Rose. Laelth Aug 2014 #47
i wish people would stop smearing Elizabeth Warren by associating her with racist scum like Klein JI7 Aug 2014 #5
Wow...The NY Compost made something up completely! joeybee12 Aug 2014 #7
I know davidpdx Aug 2014 #137
Next it'll be Fox Noise if the article fits their preconceived ideas joeybee12 Aug 2014 #142
I'm a Warren fan and said this article was BS PAProgressive28 Aug 2014 #9
I'm a Warren supporter, too, and would be proud to have her as my President wyldwolf Aug 2014 #11
It really sucks that we have to debunk this shit on DU. William769 Aug 2014 #10
Ed Klein making stuff up? NuclearDem Aug 2014 #12
DU rec... SidDithers Aug 2014 #13
The true progressives, Sid. The true progressives. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #27
Those are REAL DEMOCRATS, Sid Dithers of DU... zappaman Aug 2014 #61
I guess Only REAL DEMOCRATS... SidDithers Aug 2014 #70
That we even had to see that leftynyc Aug 2014 #14
But 90% of DUers believe it! frazzled Aug 2014 #19
Warren 2016 billhicks76 Aug 2014 #20
Clinton 2016 wyldwolf Aug 2014 #28
No Thanks billhicks76 Aug 2014 #49
Yes thank you wyldwolf Aug 2014 #53
I'd Rather Eat My Own Vomit billhicks76 Aug 2014 #58
I'd Rather you eat your own vomit, too, but we can't all get what we want. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #59
Haha But C'mon billhicks76 Aug 2014 #62
haha but C'mon. You live in an echo chamber, in the overwhelming minority on the left wyldwolf Aug 2014 #63
You Seem Very Skilled billhicks76 Aug 2014 #64
I'll bet you don't believe in evolution and climate change, either. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #65
Well I Hope She Loses billhicks76 Aug 2014 #66
Of course you do wyldwolf Aug 2014 #68
Science? billhicks76 Aug 2014 #75
yeah, dude. Science. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #87
You're Funny billhicks76 Aug 2014 #94
You're a fundamentalist wyldwolf Aug 2014 #97
seem being the operative word bobduca Aug 2014 #119
This is not about choosing candidates: it's about posting crap frazzled Aug 2014 #29
Just like Al Gore = George Bush . pnwmom Aug 2014 #36
Isnt That Your Mantra? billhicks76 Aug 2014 #50
Ralph Nader said Bush and Gore were the same: Tweedledum or Tweedledee. pnwmom Aug 2014 #52
I'll Bet billhicks76 Aug 2014 #54
Nader was the only progressive who drew votes from Gore. pnwmom Aug 2014 #56
It's called Karma billhicks76 Aug 2014 #60
After Presidents Bush and Reagan, you're saying that Clinton pushed the country to the right? pnwmom Aug 2014 #67
anxiously awaiting his reply wyldwolf Aug 2014 #69
Keep Laughing billhicks76 Aug 2014 #74
You must have loved it when we lost 2 Presidential elections by 49 states to 1. pnwmom Aug 2014 #76
Stupid Argument billhicks76 Aug 2014 #77
If People Want Republican-Lite billhicks76 Aug 2014 #78
I guess you never heard of George McGovern. Or maybe he wasn't enough of a progressive pnwmom Aug 2014 #79
Hold On Historian billhicks76 Aug 2014 #82
You Say McGovern billhicks76 Aug 2014 #83
Other than a few particular issues, like gay rights, the country isn't more liberal and progressive. pnwmom Aug 2014 #84
That Was Old Right billhicks76 Aug 2014 #85
Don't underestimate the political right. The Gerrymandering is a huge thing and Nate Silver pnwmom Aug 2014 #88
You Don't Understand? billhicks76 Aug 2014 #133
Clinton didn't move the center to the Right. When the Soviet Union collapsed, pnwmom Aug 2014 #134
Exactly!!! Beacool Aug 2014 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author bobduca Aug 2014 #125
If this was in the NY Post, why are the two references, links, from the NY Times and Boston Globe? George II Aug 2014 #22
But the two links calling out another DUer are from the Post Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #24
This is the OP that started the shit storm DURHAM D Aug 2014 #25
42 now. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #43
43 now. Still less than this OP which officially debunks that other one. Number23 Aug 2014 #71
The plain fucking stupid is strong with this thread. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #73
Any new poster linking that guy would get tombstoned. joshcryer Aug 2014 #118
Thanks for the official debunk, wyldwolf. Cha Aug 2014 #31
Hilary Will Have To Renounce and Explain Her Past Association With....... rsmith6621 Aug 2014 #32
So you would like to rebuke the Buy America she stood for while she was on the board of Walmart? Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #102
And How Many American..... rsmith6621 Aug 2014 #117
So you would rather shutter the doors, I don't see your point, how many Americans did it help for Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #124
you dont get the point rsmith6621 Aug 2014 #126
Hillary was a push on Buy America, she is not there any more, Walmart is now getting their products Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #127
Im Sorry rsmith6621 Aug 2014 #129
I would hope the American worker would have someone on their side, guess it is not Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #130
Hilary Cant Say No rsmith6621 Aug 2014 #131
She will not have to do anything. She is blowing everyone away at this point. stevenleser Aug 2014 #108
While I'm one who would love to see Warren run... TDale313 Aug 2014 #33
sulution: El Shaman Aug 2014 #34
somebody cracked the whip DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #35
You can't be serious? BainsBane Aug 2014 #39
Aristocratic Power Family SMACKDOWN! Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #40
i agree - it is highly unlikely that Sen. Warren will run - it is time to stop paying games and Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #55
Oh, dear. This'll be a problem in some quarters. MADem Aug 2014 #80
I'm going to vote for Hillary again gwheezie Aug 2014 #101
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