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IdaBriggs

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40. What we have here is a failure to communicate. You don't even understand what I am talking about.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:54 PM
Aug 2014

If you go HERE: https://secure.ssa.gov/acu/ACU_KBA/main.jsp?URL=/apps8z/ARPI/main.jsp?locale=en&LVL=4

you can pull up an estimate of what you can expect to get from Social Security when you retire.

Social Security is AN ENTITLEMENT because PEOPLE PAY INTO IT. In theory, the more you pay in, the more you get out (with a cap, I think).

This means that people who work "under the table" in addition to NOT paying taxes, ARE NOT paying into Social Security, which means the benefits they will receive at retirement or if they end up on disability will be REDUCED.

So, to recap:

Pay your server in cash / under the table: they get an IMMEDIATE cash benefit. Most will *NOT* claim the additional income on their taxes, and contribute a portion of it to Social Security.

Pay your server with a credit card, and the employer will take out taxes and a portion for Social Security. The taxes, if the server is low income, will be refunded through things like the "Earned Income Tax Credit" and such. The income reported to Social Security will *increase* the amount they are eligible to receive if (heaven forbid) they end up on Social Security Disability, the amount their minor children will receive if (heaven forbid) they die, and the amount they and/or their spouse will receive upon retirement.

I am not talking about "social security is going to run out of money - everybody panic!" I am talking about taking care of tomorrow, even if you are dead broke today.

I don't like the "less than minimum" wages that servers get paid, but I also know the myth that "service workers only do it during college" is exactly that - a myth. It infuriates me that some employers would pass on a portion of the credit card charge to their employees, but I also know "profit margins" for restaurants can be razor thin, with everything from bad weather to changing tastes to increased costs affecting the income of everyone involved in one. Sometimes "spreading the pain" to keep everyone employed may seem like a good idea; it is not my field, so I will do my best not to be too judge-y about it, and I will continue to "tip well" for good service.

But unless you can counter my concerns about the benefits of REPORTABLE INCOME, I will continue to put my tip on the credit card because I bloody well *respect* the people who take care of me, and I think they deserve some long term security.

Your mileage may differ, and as I said, I am NOT a tax expert; these are my thoughts about why I do what I do, which is obviously directly contrary to your advice.

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K&R.... daleanime Aug 2014 #1
Yup, we do that too. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #2
Absolutely. A friend who had worked his way through grad school as a merrily Aug 2014 #3
I never knew folks got shafted like that however littlewolf Aug 2014 #4
I have also heard that employers often skim some or even most tblue37 Aug 2014 #5
K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #6
That is exactly what I do. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #7
Am reposting this to FB - thanks for this! Divernan Aug 2014 #8
I always tip in cash unless I don't have enough cash on me. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #9
Thanks for the info. We rarely carry much cash, but could easily arrange to do so-- eridani Aug 2014 #10
i haven't been a server in about 20 years and that is a dramatic change ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2014 #11
A DUer opening a restaurant was shocked when the credit machine tech asked him TexasProgresive Aug 2014 #13
This is such a huge violation of federal regs, egduj Aug 2014 #38
Yup, I also tip more when paying by credit card itsrobert Aug 2014 #15
I like to tip with my credit card itsrobert Aug 2014 #12
Always tip in cash for one other reason... Emelina Aug 2014 #14
first I always tip & mostly good depending on the server preformance santroy79 Aug 2014 #16
This is going to sound goofy.. sendero Aug 2014 #17
Well, yep. That does sound goofy. You can overcome that though. dballance Aug 2014 #18
I write on the line for the tip, "Left at table." nt raccoon Aug 2014 #22
or I write cash in the spot Phentex Aug 2014 #25
Duh. Thank you, I feel silly for not having realized this before your OP. Zorra Aug 2014 #19
I actually didn't know about how that worked until my sister worked as a server. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #20
If the server doesn't pay taxes on the $$$ (which becomes "underground economy money") IdaBriggs Aug 2014 #21
Probably, but a rather large chunk of servers Lurks Often Aug 2014 #28
I have family who started thinking that way, but found IdaBriggs Aug 2014 #36
You are NOT seriously dinging servers for not reporting all their tips. Do you understand IRS regs? dballance Aug 2014 #31
Dude, I am addressing the implications of NOT reporting on Social Security. IdaBriggs Aug 2014 #35
If you are so worried about Social Security then let's take the cap off. dballance Aug 2014 #39
What we have here is a failure to communicate. You don't even understand what I am talking about. IdaBriggs Aug 2014 #40
I try to remember to carry cash in the right denominations. Orsino Aug 2014 #23
I always do that, but for a different reason Lurks Often Aug 2014 #24
You know where people are terrible at tipping? liberal N proud Aug 2014 #26
We have to tip the Housekeepers now too? NightWatcher Aug 2014 #44
Always. Iggo Aug 2014 #27
Cash? tabasco Aug 2014 #29
LOL, I know what you mean. dballance Aug 2014 #30
It's also a window for that money to go untaxed. maced666 Aug 2014 #32
It's also a window for people living below the poverty line to keep their wages. Your argument fails dballance Aug 2014 #34
I see that as a feature, not a bug. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #41
Things may have changed, but back when I was in college Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #33
k&r Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #37
I only use a credit card Go Vols Aug 2014 #42
Lol... nobody likes to pay taxes - the real reason waiters prefer cash taught_me_patience Aug 2014 #43
I've been tipping with cash ever since I was driving a cab... George II Aug 2014 #45
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