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The Magistrate

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306. Here Is The Whole Article, Ma'am
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:29 PM
Aug 2014

I would be indebted to anyone who can point out to me where it states the U.S. created the I.S.I.S. leadership, in any sense which could imply support, fostering, assistance, or any of the things usually meant when that term is used. The paper describes, to my eye, serious attempts by the U.S. to break the organization. One might regret failure in that attempt, but still....

According to CENTCOM, there had been only 79 VBIED attacks and
approximately 963 deaths as of June 21, and we anticipate that the group's
lethality will continue to trend downward in the wake of the successful
operations against it in recent months.

CENTCOM refers to U.S. Central Command, but earlier in the piece we get
these sorts of details from U.S. Strategic Command, or STRATCOM. Do we
want to attribute this to CENTCOM or should that one be STRATCOM too?

Iraq: A Bleak Future for the Jihadist ISI?

Summary

Over the last 90 days, Iraqi and U.S. forces have eliminated more than 80
percent of the Islamic State of Iraq's (ISI's) top leadership, including
its Egyptian chief of military operations and its Iraqi figurehead,
according to the top U.S. commander in Iraq. These personnel losses are
compounded by the fact that the al Qaeda-inspired jihadist group has been
struggling financially and is reportedly having problems getting foreign
fighters into the country. These setbacks will invariably complicate the
ISI's efforts to continue its campaign. While it is unlikely that the
ISI's propensity for violent attacks will wane, the group's diminished
leadership, operational capacity and logistics infrastructure make the
militant organization's future seem bleak.

Analysis

During a Pentagon press briefing on June 4, the top U.S. commander in
Iraq, Gen. Ray Odierno, said that over the last 90 days U.S. and Iraqi
forces had captured or killed 34 of the top 42 leaders of the Islamic
State of Iraq (ISI), the al Qaeda-inspired jihadist alliance in Iraq. This
represents roughly 80 percent of the group's identified leadership.
Commenting further on the misfortunes of the Iraqi jihadist franchise,
Odierno said, "They're clearly now attempting to reorganize themselves.
They're struggling a little bit. They've broken - they've lost connection
with [al Qaeda senior leadership] in Pakistan and Afghanistan. They will
attempt to regenerate themselves. They're finding it more difficult."

Indeed, since January, Iraqi and U.S.-led multinational forces have zeroed
in on the ISI, an effort made possible not only by the effective
exploitation of battlefield intelligence, but also by a large shift in the
way jihadists are viewed by Iraqi Sunnis. Today they simply are not given
the same type of support they enjoyed at the height of the insurgency in
2007. According to Odierno, the recent string of successes began shortly
after the ISI's headquarters in Mosul was raided in January and a number
of leaders in charge of financing, operations planning and recruiting were
arrested - and a great deal of actionable intelligence was recovered.

The Mosul operation was the beginning of a chain of intelligence-driven
operations during which the effective exploitation of intelligence gained
in one raid was used to conduct the next. Perhaps the most publicized blow
against the ISI to come out of the Mosul raid occurred in April, when
Iraqi and U.S. forces killed the group's military leader, Abu Ayyub
al-Masri (aka Abu Hamza al-Muhajir), as well as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi (aka
Hamid Dawud Muhammed Khalil al-Zawi, or Abdullah Rashid Saleh
al-Baghdadi), the titular head of the ISI. In addition to taking out the
apex leadership of the ISI, these raids also provided Iraqi and U.S.
forces with a vast quantity of intelligence, including cell phones,
laptops and a number of additional documents detailing the group's
operations in Iraq as well as correspondence between the ISI and top al
Qaeda-prime leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Al-Masri, a native Egyptian and former member of Ayman al-Zawahri's
Egyptian Islamic Jihad, was the group's replacement for the former head of
al Qaeda in Iraq, the Jordanian national Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was
killed in a U.S. airstrike in June 2006. Al-Masri was considered the
operational battlefield leader of the ISI, whereas al-Baghdadi played a
more symbolic role by allowing the ISI to place an Iraqi face on the
transnational jihadist efforts that had previously been personified by the
foreign-born al-Zarqawi. From all indications, al-Masri provided the ISI
with a high level of experience, professionalism and tradecraft and was
the type of solid leader that is critical to actualizing a militant
group's intent. He was also known for his role in facilitating the
movement of foreign fighters to Iraq, providing them with training and
assimilating them in with the local ISI cadre. Because of al-Masri's
practical importance to the group, his death is considered to be a more
devastating loss to the ISI's operational capability than al-Baghdadi's.

However, the death of a single, competent leader is not necessarily a
permanent and devastating blow to an organization like ISI. Indeed, at
times, new leadership can be an operational windfall, as was seen recently
in Yemen. The ISI survived the 2006 death of al-Zarqawi and actually
increased its operational tempo in 2007. This increase was likely due to
the solid organizational structure al-Zarqawi had established, which
allowed a level of operational momentum to be maintained after his death.
Nevertheless, the death of al-Masri did not happen in a vacuum. It
occurred along with the elimination of more than three-quarters of the
group's identified leadership, which, when combined with the changes in
the environment in Iraq, will undoubtedly serve as a major setback to
ISI's operations in Iraq.

The downward trajectory of the al Qaeda franchise in Saudi Arabia from
2004 to 2008 provides an excellent example of the impact this sort of
leadership depletion and environmental change can have on a jihadist
group. The Saudi franchise officially began its protracted wave of
violence in May 2003 with three coordinated car bombings in Riyadh. After
an impressive counterterrorism offensive against the Kingdom's al Qaeda
franchise, Saudi authorities were able largely stymie the momentum of al
Qaeda in Saudi Arabia in about 18 months. Key to their success was their
ability to capture or kill 22 out of 26 (roughly 85 percent) of the
group's leaders on the Saudi most-wanted list by April 2005, including
three successive military commanders in the span of about a year,
beginning in June 2004. Indeed, by January 2009, the Saudi al Qaeda
franchise was so badly damaged that the remnants of the organization were
forced to leave the Kingdom and merge with jihadists in Yemen to form al
Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. While the Iraqi and Saudi operating
environments are certainly different - with the former still in a de facto
state of war - the parallels in the hits against top-tier leadership are
worth noting.

In May 2010, following al-Masri and al-Baghdadi's deaths the previous
month, the ISI announced in a video message via its media outlet, the
Al-Furqan Media, that Nasser al-Din Allah Abu Suleiman would be al-Masri's
replacement as ISI "minister of war" and that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi would
replace Abu Omar al-Baghdadi as the group's leader. Appearing in the
video, which was posted to extremist websites, Abu Suleiman threatened
that the ISI would "wage a new military campaign directed at Iraqi
security forces and the [Shia]" and that the fresh attacks would be
carried out to avenge the deaths of al-Masri and al-Baghadi.

At this point, little is known of Abu Suleiman or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,
though these names are likely pseudonyms intended to protect their real
identities, and more information will probably surface once their true
names are learned. Despite the ominous nature of Abu Suleiman's message,
the new leadership of the ISI is going to have its work cut out for it in
the coming months if it is to hold the organization together and conduct
significant militant operations. The loss of 80 percent of the leadership
of any military organization is a difficult blow to overcome.

In Survival Mode

Al-Masri is gone. His replacement is a new, unknown and thus far untested
leader. STRATFOR has long noted the importance of leadership for these
types of militant organizations and how the quality of leadership directly
correlates to a group's operational ability. Although it is still too
early to accurately judge the impact al-Masri's death will have on the
ISI, the case of his predecessor provides a helpful illustration of what
can happen to a militant group under similar circumstances.

Despite his reputation for ruthlessness, which alienated a number of Iraqi
Sunnis, al-Zarqawi was still considered a charismatic and operationally
adept leader who was conducive to the group's ability to carry out scores
of terrorist attacks in Iraq - and beyond. He was also instrumental in
developing the overall operational capacity of the ISI, creating a cadre
of jihadist leaders who were able to bring in and train thousands of
recruits and then deploy them in the Iraqi jihadist theater.

Al-Zarqawi was able to capitalize on the anti-American sentiment in Iraq
and the Muslim world that arose after the U.S. invasion of Iraq. This
anger resulted in calls for jihad - and for a robust flow of fighters and
financial support. Saddam Hussein's Baathist supporters and other Sunni
leaders in Iraq also saw the jihadist insurgents as convenient and zealous
proxies to use against U.S. forces. Al-Zarqawi, though, was never an al
Qaeda insider. In fact, correspondence between the al Qaeda leadership in
Pakistan and al-Zarqawi revealed serious fissures between the two
organizations. Nonetheless, al-Zarqawi saw the adoption of the al Qaeda
name as beneficial for recruiting and fundraising.

After al-Zarqawi's death in June 2006, the ISI officially named al-Masri
as the organization's new "minister of war/defense." Al-Masri was a
long-time al Qaeda insider who had been part of the Egyptian contingent
that joined the group with Ayman al-Zawahiri. Under al-Masri's leadership,
the ISI enjoyed a much closer relationship to the al Qaeda core. Despite
al-Masri's links to al Qaeda, questions arose about the Egyptian's
leadership and general competency and whether the death of the
high-profile al-Zarqawi would cripple the organization. These doubts were
largely eliminated a year later, after the ISI orchestrated a string of
violent sectarian attacks in Shiite neighborhoods around Baghdad on April
18, 2007, that claimed the lives of almost 200 people. During the course
of the year, more than 5,000 Iraqis were killed as a result of similar
bombings. According to statistics provided by the U.S. Strategic Command
(STRATCOM), there were 1,793 attacks involving vehicle-borne improvised
explosive devices (VBIEDs) in 2007 compared to 1,409 in 2006.

However, since the spike of violence in 2007, the number of individuals
who have been killed as a result of large-scale bombings has dropped
precipitously. For instance, in 2008 the number of deaths fell by about 50
percent, from an estimated 5,000 to 2,500. The following year, this number
dropped to just over 2,000. According to STRATCOM, the number of VBIEDS
deployed by the ISI has also sharply dropped, from 1,793 in 2007 to 641 in
2008 and 330 in 2009.

Despite the drop in VBIED attacks and deaths in 2009, the run-up to the
Iraqi election saw at least four devastating and coordinated bomb attacks
claimed by the ISI. On Aug. 19, 2009, the ISI took responsibility for two
simultaneous VBIED strikes at the Iraqi Foreign Ministry and Finance
Ministry buildings that left some 100 people dead and more than 1,000
wounded. Two months later, in October 2009, the ISI claimed credit for a
pair of similar simultaneous VBIED strikes near the Ministry of Justice
building and the Baghdad Provincial Council building in downtown Baghdad
that killed more than 100 people and wounded hundreds more. Strikes on
similar targets were also carried out in central Baghdad on Dec. 8, 2009,
and Jan. 25, 2010.

During this string of attacks, the ISI demonstrated something of a
resurgence, though as the campaign progressed the group was forced to
target softer targets as security was increased around more high-profile
sites like government ministries (the group was not able to strike at
first-tier hard targets like the parliament building, the prime minister's
office or the U.S. Embassy). Nevertheless, the ISI campaign did
demonstrate that the group could still acquire ordinance, build reliable
improvised explosive devices (IEDs), gather intelligence and plan and
carry out spectacular attacks in the heart of Baghdad. Clearly, al-Masri
and his team were regaining operational momentum. Indeed, the size and
lethality of ISI's pre-election bombing campaign had not been seen since
the April 2007 sectarian attacks in Baghdad. Overall, however, the
casualty counts and the frequency of these attacks have continued to
decrease in 2010. According to U.S. Central Command, there had been only
79 VBIED attacks and approximately 963 deaths as of June 21, and we
anticipate that the group's lethality will continue to trend downward in
the wake of the successful operations against it in recent months.

The ISI will be fighting an uphill battle with the loss of so many
leaders. And this battle will not just be for increasing its operational
tempo or assuming control of Iraq. The group's No. 1 priority at the
present time is sheer survival. It needs to focus on re-establishing some
semblance of operational security so that it will have the breathing room
to recruit and train new operatives. It will also need to find a way to
pay for its continued operations, which, like those of militant
organizations elsewhere, will increasingly be funded through criminal
means.

Financial and Operational Losses

In addition to the crippling leadership losses, the ISI is also facing
financial problems and has reportedly been in contact with al Qaeda prime
in an attempt to secure more money. This is in stark contrast to July
2005, when al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri sent a letter to
al-Zarqawi asking for $100,000 because a number of al Qaeda prime's
financial lifelines had been cut off, and the Iraqi jihadist franchise was
flush with cash (mostly from overseas donors).

From all indications, this negative trend in the financial status of the
al Qaeda core group has worsened, further limiting its ability to assist
the now cash-strapped ISI. In October 2009, the U.S. assistant secretary
investigating terrorist financing at the U.S. Treasury Department said al
Qaeda "is [at] its weakest financial condition in several years." Also in
2009, Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, the former chief of al Qaeda's financing
committee and then head of al Qaeda's operations in Afghanistan,
repeatedly called for financial contributions to al Qaeda, saying that the
group was in desperate need of funding. To compound the financial woes,
al-Yazid was killed by a U.S. airstrike in late May. Clearly, the al Qaeda
core group is in no financial shape to support the Iraqi franchise,
leaving it up to the ISI to support itself financially.

To be sure, the expense of an individual terrorist attack can be marginal
for a group like the ISI. Obtaining the right supplies to fabricate and
employ an IED may cost a couple hundred dollars, and in a place like Iraq,
flush with military ordnance that can be purchased or stolen, it can cost
even less. However, the process of maintaining a militant network over a
long period, during and between attacks, is far more costly than just
paying for individual attacks. The sizable infrastructure required to
maintain such a network involves the costs of recruitment, travel,
weapons, wages, food, a network of safe-houses, training facilities and
materials and overhead expenses for things like fraudulent identification
documents and the bribery of security and government officials. When added
all together, these expenses require a serious financial commitment. And
these costs rose considerably when Iraq's Sunni sheikhs turned against the
movement and denied it much of the ideologically motivated support and
sanctuary it once enjoyed. The ISI is now largely forced to buy this
sanctuary.

In light of the group's financial troubles, it appears that the ISI may be
resorting to other, more criminal means of supporting itself through
things like kidnapping, extortion and robbery. Criminal activity has
always been part of the ISI method of operations since the group's
inception, and the group has long been implicated in various forms of
theft, kidnapping and smuggling in order to support its militant wing -
such is the nature of an underground militant organization. This
characteristic is commonly seen in even the most robust of militant groups
around the world. However, ISI's criminal activities have become more
exposed in recent months, and its militants have turned their weapons on
jewelers, goldsmiths, bankers, money exchangers and other merchants. The
trend can be seen across Iraq, in Baghdad as well as Basra, Kirkuk and
Fallujah. Increasingly, the ISI has to devote a larger percentage of its
manpower and operational capability to fundraising, which means it has
fewer resources to devote to terrorist attacks.

Most of these incidents go unreported, since they are considered lower
priority than the more violent terrorist attacks. Also, much of the crime
(especially the kidnapping and extortion) is carried out quietly and goes
unseen by the casual observer. This means that the scope of the criminal
activity being conducted by the ISI is likely higher than is being
reported in the press, and this is supported by information from STRATFOR
sources in Iraq. According to these sources, the ISI is particularly adept
at using pressure tactics against local businesses in operating protection
rackets. Merchants have to hand over a certain percentage of their monthly
earnings to ISI operatives in order to preserve their businesses. One
journalist in Mosul (Saad al-Mosuli) writes that some vendors pay as much
as 30 percent of their earnings.

Another area of criminal activity in Iraq is the theft and smuggling of
oil. Iraq has hundreds of oil fields crisscrossed by hundreds of miles of
pipelines carrying oil to terminals where it is either trucked or shipped
for export. Oil is vulnerable to theft at any stage in this process, and
militants in Iraq are known to tap pipelines or steal tanker trucks in
order to get their hands on the oil and sell it. All manner of criminal
activity can thrive in a country where the security environment remains
fluid and authorities have to decide whether to divert more resources to
preventing major VBIED attacks or to preventing robberies. Obviously, the
former generates more attention.

Below is a brief timeline of criminal activities either known or suspected
to be the work of ISI operatives just in the past several weeks:

The ISI is not the first militant organization to integrate criminal
activities into its method of operations. Groups such as the Farabundo
Marti Liberation Front in El Salvador, the Irish Republican Army, the
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) and the New People's Army in
the Philippines are just a few examples of groups that started with an
ideological justification for their violent activities and turned to
criminal activity when their funding dried up (many Marxist groups lost
funding when the Soviet Union dissolved). Some of these groups, such as
the FARC, are now almost exclusivity criminal, with only a thin
ideological facade used primarily for recruiting and justifying their
activities. Other jihadist organizations have also used fraud, extortion,
kidnapping and other illegal activities to finance their operations. For
example, the jihadist cell responsible for the March 2004 Madrid train
bombings financed its operations by selling narcotics.

Currently facing financial problems, the ISI is using its highly trained
and organized manpower, along with its weapons caches - resources that
were once reserved for ideologically motivated attacks - to collect
operating funds. With ample examples of the Prophet Mohammed and his
companions raiding the caravans of the enemies of Islam, groups like the
ISI believe they have religious justification for engaging in such
activities and that they do not tarnish their reputations as Muslim
movements. This is not to say that the group's activities have any legal
precedent under Islamic law; it is more likely a reflection that its
members are willing to twist religious and legal doctrine to benefit their
operational needs. However, such activities have certainly caused many
more moderate Iraqis to become skeptical of the ISI and to distance
themselves from the group. On the other hand, government accusations of
robbery could be a tactic to discredit the ISI and must be weighed
carefully.

Nevertheless, when Iraqi authorities blame the group for an incident like
the May 25 jewelry store robbery in Baghdad that left 15 people dead, the
fact that the robbers used rocket-propelled grenades, suppressed pistols
and assault rifles lends credence to the claim, as does the speed,
accuracy and general professionalism of the operation.

Decline in Foreign Operatives

In addition to the leadership losses and financial troubles besetting ISI,
there are also indications that the group is struggling to carry out
suicide attacks as frequently as it used to. One reason could be that the
ISI is running out of foreign volunteers to participate in such attacks.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, intercepted messages
and prisoner interrogations indicate that ISI commanders are complaining
about the lack of foreigners for suicide missions. "The shortage of
suicide bombers is because Islamic fundamentalists are more interested in
Afghanistan and Pakistan these days, the Americans are withdrawing from
Iraq and al Qaeda's networks have been disrupted by ourselves and the
Americans," Zebari said in an interview with the Associated Press in late
May. While Iraqis can certainly carry out suicide attacks, a significant
percentage (estimated by the U.S. military to be as high as 80 percent) of
the suicide attacks in Iraq since the U.S. invasion have been perpetrated
by foreign-born jihadists. In 2008, we began seeing an indication that the
ISI was recruiting Iraqis who were mentally ill or addicted to drugs to
serve as suicide bombers.

There are a few possible explanations for the apparent paucity of foreign
travelers to Iraq to carry out such operations. First, as Zebari mentions,
U.S. troops are pulling out of Iraq, and many radical Muslims would rather
attack "infidel troops" than fellow Muslims. As of May 2010, there are
more American troops stationed in Afghanistan (94,000) than Iraq (92,000)
for the first time since major combat operations began in Iraq in 2003.
These numbers are only expected to continue to fall in Iraq as the Obama
administration puts a greater focus on Afghanistan. Naturally, if jihadist
operatives are eager to take the fight directly to Americans and other
Westerners, they would more likely head to an area where there are more
American and other Western troops.

It also appears that the Syrian regime has helped crack down on the
established smuggling networks that have been an instrumental gateway to
Iraq for foreign fighters. According to jihadist recruiting records found
in the Syrian border town of Sinjar by U.S. troops in 2007 and released by
the U.S. government in 2008, there were approximately 700 foreign national
who illegally entered Iraq between August 2006 and August 2007. Indeed,
the Iraqi government claimed in 2007 that more than half of the foreign
fighters were arriving in Iraq via Syria. U.S defense officials also
remarked at the time that coalition operations helped cut the flow of
approximately 60 to 80 fighters a month in half. This reduction was at
least partly due to the death of Abu Osama al-Tunisi by U.S.-led forces in
September 2007. As his name indicates, al-Tunisi was a Tunisian member of
the ISI's inner circle who was chiefly responsible bringing foreign
fighters into Iraq.

Most of the illegal entries into Iraq, according to the Sinjar documents,
were facilitated by four members of a terrorist finance and facilitation
ring running out of Syria known as the "Abu Ghadiyah" network, named for
its leader, Badran Turki Hisham al-Mazidih (aka Abu Ghadiyah). However, on
Oct. 26, 2008, U.S. forces, reportedly with the assistance of the Syrian
government, conducted a cross-border raid against the group that resulted
in the death of Abu Ghadiyah. Because smuggling is a long-practiced trade
in Syria, a replacement for Ghadiyah has most likely stepped into place,
but the flow of fighters from Syria has clearly dropped since 2007.

Of course, the simple fact that U.S. and Iraqi forces continue to capture
or kill senior ISI members at a heretofore unseen rate has had a
noteworthy impact on the ISI's ability to recruit, train and run foreign
fighters. This success has been due not only to the increased intelligence
capability of the U.S. and Iraqi forces but also - significantly - to the
fact that a number of Iraq's Sunni sheikhs have turned against the ISI.
The group's decline has also been a result of the length of the struggle.
A large number of jihadists have been martyred in Iraq and a substantial
amount of money has been sent there over the past seven years. It is hard
to maintain that type of commitment over time - especially when the effort
is producing diminishing returns and other theaters such as the
Afghanistan/Pakistan region, Yemen and Somalia have grabbed more of the
worldwide media spotlight.

Conclusion

The year 2010 appears to be a banner year for U.S. and Iraqi troops in the
fight against the ISI. Their combined efforts, with local assistance, have
severely damaged the group's finances, leadership and ability to recruit.
To be sure, the ISI's intent to establish an Islamic caliphate in Iraq has
not diminished. But even before the most recent coalition successes, the
ability of the group to return to its 2007 glory days was seriously in
doubt, and today its overall operational capacity appears to be severely
crippled. And as U.S. and multinational troops continue their steady
withdrawal from Iraq, there will be less incentive for transnational
jihadists to travel to Iraq to fight the "far enemy." Ongoing pressure on
the ISI may also serve to fracture it into smaller disjointed entities,
which could even lead to infighting. Pressed for cash, the motivations for
violent attacks are likely to continue to devolve into political and
criminal acts, the frequency and lethality of which will depend on the
ability of Iraqi forces to handle the situation.

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yes, President Obama was just on live TV and I support these actions. Sunlei Aug 2014 #1
Can I get an explanation..... TheMick Aug 2014 #16
who is "attacking Iraq"? Sunlei Aug 2014 #18
?????????????????????? sheshe2 Aug 2014 #23
i'll try Fred Drum Aug 2014 #28
Well said Fred BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #122
Where are they getting their weapons? And does mean that we will completely give up sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #152
May I offer you this? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #220
Damn, Sir: When A Fella From 'American Thinker' Is The Voice Of Reason, Someone Has A Problem.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #226
But ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #228
Confirmation Bias, Sir, Is A Cruel Mistress The Magistrate Aug 2014 #241
The source of my information comes from the British Parliament. I do not freguent nor am I sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #329
You know someone in the British Parliament? I'm impressed! ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #330
I read real news not right wingnut sites. The British Parliament voted against sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #340
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #343
statements of "fact" without links Sheepshank Aug 2014 #247
This ^ ^ ^ Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #276
not even close to justifying it. bowens43 Aug 2014 #227
Why does the religion matter at all? lark Aug 2014 #262
Give me that old time religion..... NOT. n/t DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #302
As a desert storm vet... No, not even close to being worth involved again. Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #349
Huh? Politicub Aug 2014 #38
We weren't attacking -- we were "liberating". nt gateley Aug 2014 #44
This may shock you but we were ASKED to help. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #100
yeah, especially since God told Bush to do it griloco Aug 2014 #101
Can I get an elaboration... JHB Aug 2014 #153
I do too. femmocrat Aug 2014 #2
Mr President ripcord Aug 2014 #145
I missed it- can you give the basics? Marrah_G Aug 2014 #3
Humanitarian aid, IronGate Aug 2014 #8
Thank you! Marrah_G Aug 2014 #15
civilians kardonb Aug 2014 #21
I am sure President Obama humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #36
LOL Marrah_G Aug 2014 #42
lol m-lekktor Aug 2014 #55
Since ISIS is practicing only humanitarian beheadings, his hand was forced. 11 Bravo Aug 2014 #274
If there are air strikes, there are ALREADY combat troops on the ground. NM_Birder Aug 2014 #221
Obama authorizes airstrikes in Iraq to stop genocide Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #12
Genocide OK in Gaza but not in Iraq? lark Aug 2014 #266
Targeted air strikes in Iraq - TBF Aug 2014 #13
Airstrikes on Isis should they make any hostile and overt moves towards Embassy Sheepshank Aug 2014 #252
Humanitarian aid. Targeted strikes if ISIS moves to commit genocide. msanthrope Aug 2014 #14
I do too. He is a class act and a smart man. I don't always agree with him but it is a joy to.... Logical Aug 2014 #4
agreed ! nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #5
I don't have a problem with it - TBF Aug 2014 #6
I agree Tom Rinaldo Aug 2014 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author TheNutcracker Aug 2014 #9
Without a doubt. This is why I voted for the man. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #11
Some are genocide - some 840high Aug 2014 #41
"Genocide?" delphi72 Aug 2014 #213
you first. hopemountain Aug 2014 #296
Agree. moondust Aug 2014 #17
Next stop Gaza. WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2014 #19
That has never happened get the red out Aug 2014 #204
Yes, a bad situation but Pres. Obama is doing the right thing. The Bush legacy. nt Cognitive_Resonance Aug 2014 #20
Thank you Sir! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #22
Where is the source? Is there a video? I want to see that. Please. :) freshwest Aug 2014 #128
Hey freshwest... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #135
Thanks. See these pictures today: freshwest Aug 2014 #170
He does look tired, freshwest. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #210
I was remarking to my wife Inkfreak Aug 2014 #278
Agreed mcar Aug 2014 #24
Absolutely, I am sure we will use pinpoint humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #43
K&R eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #25
Agree. nt sufrommich Aug 2014 #26
I hope the Yazidis have enough stones to kill their own women jberryhill Aug 2014 #27
You're not accusing all 40k humans there of that particular crime, are you? n/t Amonester Aug 2014 #30
Crime? jberryhill Aug 2014 #40
What? You don't think it was a crime? Amonester Aug 2014 #49
everyone but the Yazidis did jberryhill Aug 2014 #52
So they're all guilty before trial to you I see. n/t Amonester Aug 2014 #58
there was a trial jberryhill Aug 2014 #67
Well, maybe the relatively small 'group' (compared to 40,000...) who did it were killed later? Or no Amonester Aug 2014 #71
relatively small? jberryhill Aug 2014 #121
But there wasn't 40,000 people there, so you still insist to let them all starve so you will be Amonester Aug 2014 #132
Hunger kills 25,000 people every single day jberryhill Aug 2014 #138
Of course Rapillion Aug 2014 #73
the four? jberryhill Aug 2014 #80
No, I haven't Rapillion Aug 2014 #95
we did that in Rwanda, Sudan, lots of places jberryhill Aug 2014 #116
Yes, Rwanda, Sudan Rapillion Aug 2014 #130
I don't understand why you said this?! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #81
It seems to be an essential supply for their religion jberryhill Aug 2014 #86
Excuse me.... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #110
It's no joke jberryhill Aug 2014 #117
So they deserve to be slaughtered! Great! killbotfactory Aug 2014 #157
No. I would not suggest we do that jberryhill Aug 2014 #159
But It Would Be Fair To Suggest, Sir, You Think Someone Ought To.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #163
yeah, this is pretty much the worst of what our side has to offer renegade000 Aug 2014 #168
This post is living proof that right wingers are not the only ones capable of sanctimony. bklyncowgirl Aug 2014 #209
Let's nuke New York City because some of their cops are thugs Hekate Aug 2014 #263
Hardly analogous jberryhill Aug 2014 #268
I'm with you on this one, indeed. eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #29
me too. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #31
I'm not so sure I can agree, nor can I trust those representing me that have proven AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #32
^^^This. Squinch Aug 2014 #308
Sure IRAQ WAR III humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #33
The ones with food and water are humanitarian, yes Gore1FL Aug 2014 #51
+1 LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #57
Missed it. Did he do something brave, like send food/medical aid to injured and dying in Gaza? whereisjustice Aug 2014 #34
No nothing so sensible humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #39
Do we should leave 840high Aug 2014 #45
False choice.... humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #53
Maybe you should get a grip. Cha Aug 2014 #171
You are so full of it. IronGate Aug 2014 #50
Have you been asleep for the last 50 years? humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #56
Because I trust President Obama. IronGate Aug 2014 #61
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #62
Such an intelligent answer. IronGate Aug 2014 #66
He gave his opinion already, you missed it: freshwest Aug 2014 #131
I did miss it. IronGate Aug 2014 #136
Schmuck HERVEPA Aug 2014 #87
I don't cwydro Aug 2014 #208
I agree with you, IronGate.n/t Duval Aug 2014 #237
Thanks. From the praise, sounded like he was pulling children from the rubble with his own hands whereisjustice Aug 2014 #59
He sent Kerry creeksneakers2 Aug 2014 #125
Yes, we sent $47 million in humanitarian aid to Gaza two weeks ago frazzled Aug 2014 #139
And we sent this, too: Hissyspit Aug 2014 #195
I agree. n/t zappaman Aug 2014 #35
Glad he is in charge Politicub Aug 2014 #37
Was he clear on what kind of bombs humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #46
I guess genocide doesn't bother you Politicub Aug 2014 #54
False Choice.... humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #60
So you're ok with the genocide of these people? nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #65
I'm not ok with Genocide of any people humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #69
The military isn't bombing anyone. IronGate Aug 2014 #76
! humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #88
You're leaving out a very important part of his speech. IronGate Aug 2014 #93
The part where he authorized the use of force humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #107
The only pile of garbage is what's in your posts. IronGate Aug 2014 #113
+1 SunSeeker Aug 2014 #149
But if we just asked ISIS nicely they would surely stop mythology Aug 2014 #165
So what's the answer? What's your answer? Amonester Aug 2014 #77
That is a false choice humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #94
That's not what I asked: I only asked for your idea of a solution. Amonester Aug 2014 #105
The Iraqi Air Force doesn't have the capability to air drop supplies to those trapped people, IronGate Aug 2014 #109
We have already dropped the supplies. The Iraq gov.& the people trapped asked for the help. Sunlei Aug 2014 #114
More Popcorn BKH70041 Aug 2014 #47
The Iraq government asked for help gwheezie Aug 2014 #48
Because they're incompetent and scared shitless LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #79
As do I -- gateley Aug 2014 #63
Indeed. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #64
It may be legitimate but... kentuck Aug 2014 #68
Seems like some people have paid attention humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #72
Yeah, kentuck, it is good to be wary of these things. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #84
Or....since tomorrow is Friday... kentuck Aug 2014 #103
You give the public too much credit LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #92
It never ends...we are in a permanent state of war. zeemike Aug 2014 #309
For the first time in my adult life, I support alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #70
Obvisoulsy you have missed humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #75
Really? What good people will die because of targeted air strikes against ISIS? nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #91
Really? humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #98
The air strikes would only commence if ISIS were showing signs of moving against those people IronGate Aug 2014 #104
And you think there will not be even one civilian casualty? Only ISIS fighters? Really? nt kelly1mm Aug 2014 #156
So we just let ISIS slaughter those people? nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #158
Not our problem IMO. nt kelly1mm Aug 2014 #160
So you wouldn't care if these people are slaughtered by this terrorist army? IronGate Aug 2014 #161
Nope, not our problem any more. They did not want a SOFA agreement and thus no more kelly1mm Aug 2014 #162
And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Aug 2014 #97
Yeah, you said that already LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #99
I'll sleep fine alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #123
Well, Hissyspit Aug 2014 #140
@BreakingNews: Iraqi official says hundreds of Yazidi women taken captive by Islamic State militants Hissyspit Aug 2014 #280
From good ol' STRATFOR leaked emails via Wikileaks: Hissyspit Aug 2014 #300
@wikileaks: US let ISIS grow: In 2010 Syria offered to partner with US to fight groups like ISIS but Hissyspit Aug 2014 #301
Again, Ma'am, The Entire Document Does Not Seem To Bear Out That Claim The Magistrate Aug 2014 #307
@wikileaks: Stratfor leak shows US created ISIS (ISI) leadership structure and thirst for revenge af Hissyspit Aug 2014 #304
Here Is The Whole Article, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #306
How the US helped arm ISIS: Hissyspit Aug 2014 #311
Not A Word Of That Article Validates Your Headline, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #312
only the bad guys die m-lekktor Aug 2014 #85
I do sincerely alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #124
agreed. K & R rollin74 Aug 2014 #74
I am always skeptical of this sort of thing and would like to see Maliki replaced, BillZBubb Aug 2014 #78
so do i. DesertFlower Aug 2014 #82
One might ask though Rapillion Aug 2014 #83
That, sadly, is an "inconvenient" question. nt. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #90
And "one might" think it's a stupid analogy. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #290
When did Hamas ask for our help? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #341
They didn't Rapillion Aug 2014 #348
We never learn LittleBlue Aug 2014 #89
+ +++ Kick you hit the nail on the head..... N/T humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #96
Yeah. No bombs. ancianita Aug 2014 #108
Too bad the Neocon's actions have instilled such cynicism into the public dgauss Aug 2014 #102
It's not cynicism as much as it is willful ignorance LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #232
I wholeheartedly agree! Sissyk Aug 2014 #106
Thank you, Magistrate Hekate Aug 2014 #111
I was wondering what he was going to do betsuni Aug 2014 #112
K & R davidpdx Aug 2014 #115
I would be very suspicious of those who didn't. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #118
me too! TRAITORS!!!1 m-lekktor Aug 2014 #207
One might think we've been completely overrun by a bunch of self centered Libertarians, who sit.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #292
I think something had to be done. davidthegnome Aug 2014 #119
I concur, as well. Old and In the Way Aug 2014 #120
I'm With You... As Long As It Is Limited... WillyT Aug 2014 #126
Let's see how it develops over the next few days. kentuck Aug 2014 #127
I Here Ya... I Want To Help Those Starving In The Mountains... WillyT Aug 2014 #129
How about we throw that Trillion $/year weight of our M/I complex into a massive humanitarian effort Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #133
I do think it was the proper decision, but... ReRe Aug 2014 #134
How do you know they are right and proper? I'm just asking because I Zorra Aug 2014 #137
questions bigtree Aug 2014 #141
They Do Not Seem Up To The Work, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #144
thanks for the answer, Magistrate bigtree Aug 2014 #154
Humanitarian aid is always good. Targeted air strikes is code for killing people. Of course rhett o rick Aug 2014 #142
I guess by US standards, this is fairly benign. Orsino Aug 2014 #272
If I may, "We're only going to be bombing a few [folks] this week." nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #273
Vid of the President's statement, TM.. and the transcript.. thank you. Cha Aug 2014 #143
Thank You, Sir: Glad To Have That In The Thread The Magistrate Aug 2014 #146
You're welcome but you can call Ms. :) Cha Aug 2014 #148
An entire minority group gets completely shut out of representative government Ash_F Aug 2014 #254
by now it's obvious he's a Situationist performance artist MisterP Aug 2014 #147
Bullcrap. Cha Aug 2014 #150
You invalidated your whole post when you compared our President to Kimg Jong-il. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #155
What a load! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #303
K&R SunSeeker Aug 2014 #151
That's nice whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #164
many here act like the U.S is so moral that it needs to intervene when.. politicman Aug 2014 #166
So we shouldn't try to prevent the genocide of these people by the terrorist army ISIS? IronGate Aug 2014 #169
do you think that airstrikes cannot escalate into troops on the ground?? politicman Aug 2014 #175
Got it, IronGate Aug 2014 #177
stop trying to put words in my mouth politicman Aug 2014 #179
And Would You Be Any Better A Person If You Let Her Die, Sir? The Magistrate Aug 2014 #180
try it this way instead... politicman Aug 2014 #181
You Set The Terms, Sir, And Cannot Complain Of The Result The Magistrate Aug 2014 #183
ill try to articulate my point better. politicman Aug 2014 #187
That Does Not Improve Your Case, Sir, Though It Does Clear Up A Point The Magistrate Aug 2014 #188
are you not capable of understand a simple argument. politicman Aug 2014 #189
You Cannot Make A Coherent Argument, Sir; That I Understand Clearly The Magistrate Aug 2014 #193
You have shown your true face, you care for everyone but the Palestinians. politicman Aug 2014 #196
Now That, Sir, Is Some Seriously Rum Fun To Read The Magistrate Aug 2014 #198
its pointlesss debating an israeli apologist politicman Aug 2014 #199
I Could Have Sworn You Just Said Good-Bye, Sir.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #200
when you do it so poorly... quaker bill Aug 2014 #201
Best To Stick To Words You Understand, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #172
heres some questions for you? politicman Aug 2014 #174
Had You Opened On The Line Of Your Second Attempt, Sir, Matters Would Have Gone Differently The Magistrate Aug 2014 #178
Thanks, I always learn from your posts.. freshwest Aug 2014 #176
Right on bahrbearian Aug 2014 #314
Or 'Left Off!' Sir, Depending Which Side Of The Mirror One Faces.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #315
Wrong again Missy bahrbearian Aug 2014 #317
Your Meaning Is Unclear, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #320
So many crises, so little time. Jamaal510 Aug 2014 #167
Am I the only one not liking the outcome minivan2 Aug 2014 #173
Yeah right.. the corporatemediawhore$ don't know the difference either.. Cha Aug 2014 #182
Yessir minivan2 Aug 2014 #184
really, minivan? I stopped in 2002.. and, I'm not a sir. :) Cha Aug 2014 #186
Pardon me, ma'am. ;) minivan2 Aug 2014 #191
So, I'm hearing.. via sites like these. I thought they were out of control in 2002.. and, Cha Aug 2014 #192
I do, as well. Major Hogwash Aug 2014 #185
Just listening to the president now, sir, and I totally agree Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #190
I agree with a caveat he should be arming the Kurds too azurnoir Aug 2014 #194
Brilliant OP Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #197
I agree get the red out Aug 2014 #202
I suppose it is probably the right thing to do given the current realities. Unfortunately we do not Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #203
I Appreciate That, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #234
So do I. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #205
Me too... sendero Aug 2014 #206
Et moi aussie, mes ami. riqster Aug 2014 #211
Agreed Gothmog Aug 2014 #212
yes it is, sir. mopinko Aug 2014 #214
I agree Hubert Flottz Aug 2014 #215
With great reluctance so do I. bklyncowgirl Aug 2014 #216
I Appreciate That, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #224
How are these airstrikes different than... justaddh2o Aug 2014 #217
If you are going to use a criminal justice metaphor, its more like police shooting a criminal who is stevenleser Aug 2014 #236
Okay, however justaddh2o Aug 2014 #269
It Is A Point Of Some Bemusement, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #286
Excellent point justaddh2o Aug 2014 #326
Because There Are Occasions, Sir, When Violence Is Both Appropriate And Necessary The Magistrate Aug 2014 #328
Choosing peace can lead to harm? justaddh2o Aug 2014 #344
Gandhi May Have Done So, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #345
What's the endgame? Akira Watts Aug 2014 #218
Make a lot of money for the war profiteers. JEB Aug 2014 #219
That, sir, is just cynical. nt Akira Watts Aug 2014 #223
It has taken me a good long while, but JEB Aug 2014 #318
Then enlist and go fight over there... Fix The Stupid Aug 2014 #222
Nothing More Amusing Than Ritual Chants, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #225
Ok. Fix The Stupid Aug 2014 #229
A Rote Noise, Sir, Without The Slightest Point Or Content The Magistrate Aug 2014 #231
So you are going to enlist and help in Iraq? n/t Fix The Stupid Aug 2014 #267
When You Actually Have A Point, Sir, By All Means Try Make It The Magistrate Aug 2014 #270
I'll repeat... Are you going to Iraq to help? Fix The Stupid Aug 2014 #271
Perhaps You Do Not Know What A Point Is, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #277
Really? 'Cuz I think there's nothing more amusing than self-righteous pomposity & condescension TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #233
Guess I Will Just Have To Bear Up Under It, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #235
You're Nothing but a Sycophant TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #334
Who gives a shit if his opinion means less than nothing to you? IronGate Aug 2014 #245
Yes, by all means, march to that drum! TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #332
Well, you're right about that. IronGate Aug 2014 #333
carry on, brave internet warrior TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #335
Brave internet warrior? IronGate Aug 2014 #337
Also, this is not President Obama trying to settle some petty personal score. Aristus Aug 2014 #230
Yes, I do too. potone Aug 2014 #238
They are all bad options now. I just dont want more troops sent at this point. stevenleser Aug 2014 #239
I Agree, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #240
What is amusing is the pathetic arguments of those criticizing you. As if they have a better option. stevenleser Aug 2014 #242
I Suppose One Could Ask, Sir, If Such Are Willing To Stand Themselves Among The Potential Victims The Magistrate Aug 2014 #243
Which option then? Akira Watts Aug 2014 #249
Which is exactly my point. A bad option among worse options stevenleser Aug 2014 #250
Carpet bombing would probably be most effective.... Historic NY Aug 2014 #299
The last good option was not to invade back in 1991. Dems to Win Aug 2014 #251
I disagree. 1991 had full support of the UN, international community and stevenleser Aug 2014 #253
True, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #255
We still made a bad decision in 1991. But it was the post-war, not pre-war, decision. ieoeja Aug 2014 #288
I strongly disagree. Saddam taking babies from incubators! Yeah, right..... Dems to Win Aug 2014 #256
Your focusing on the most ridiculous in a long line of reasons doesn't help your cause. stevenleser Aug 2014 #261
It Is Part Of The Service, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #282
How about Iraq's 1980 invasion of Iran? In which the US supported the invader. Dems to Win Aug 2014 #298
What question do you think you are answering with this post? stevenleser Aug 2014 #313
How about Jimmy Carter's response to the USSRs invasion of Afghanistan Dems to Win Aug 2014 #319
Affirmed sir. nilesobek Aug 2014 #244
These adventures tend to start from a justifiable case and grow into shit. Often being shit from TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #246
That Can Happen, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #248
We are aiding affiliate factions inarguably, Sir. I believe the distinction is without much TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #331
Saying 'We Are Aiding Affiliate Factions', Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #342
The long path to selecting stupid and inept from root to leaf. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #346
It's easy to support it when we aren't the ones dying. Iron Man Aug 2014 #257
Equally, Sir, Easy To Oppose It When You Are Not The One Designated For Massacre The Magistrate Aug 2014 #259
I was against bombing Iraq when Dubya did it and I'm against it now. Iron Man Aug 2014 #260
You Engaged In Ritual Chant, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #264
That's funny. Iron Man Aug 2014 #284
And What, Pray Tell, Sir, Do You Find So Interesting About It? The Magistrate Aug 2014 #285
Most of us knew regime change in 2003 would lead to exactly what we are seeing today. ieoeja Aug 2014 #291
+1 LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #283
I don't support it, this is just to protect corporate interests in Iraq. dilby Aug 2014 #258
can you give me some idea (links) Sheepshank Aug 2014 #265
That answer should be interesting, if one is forthcoming. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #275
They don't need no stinkin' links, it's what RT told 'em. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #279
Pretty much anyone who has money invested in Iraq. dilby Aug 2014 #294
It has everything to do with helping the people of Iraq. Cha Aug 2014 #305
So, which CEOs are going to make a killing off our newest muder spree in Iraq??? blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #281
I see so much so much dissonance in response to recent world happenings kjones Aug 2014 #287
I Appreciate Your Thoughtful Reply, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #289
And I appreciate your regular application of logic sir kjones Aug 2014 #293
War Is Not The Answer Tace Aug 2014 #295
Depends On The Question, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #297
Nope, not even remotely... truebrit71 Aug 2014 #310
And I am Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs MyNameGoesHere Aug 2014 #316
Obama says we must, "stay vigilant." Skip Intro Aug 2014 #321
They Did Not Come Out Of Nowhere, Though, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #322
Let's say they quickly grew to prominence, then. n/t Skip Intro Aug 2014 #323
There Are Few Real Overnight Sensations, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #324
Too bad they didn't make plans. n/t Skip Intro Aug 2014 #325
Thank goodness you do. It makes it right around here. n/t flvegan Aug 2014 #327
self-righteous, war mongering sycophantism is always in style! TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #336
I Suspect You Fell Into A Sarchasm There, Sir.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #347
I heard ISIS throws babies from incubators & just bought yellow cake from Niger TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #338
Again, The Ritual Chants Of The True Believer, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #339
It seems pretty clearly the right thing to do. Unvanguard Aug 2014 #350
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