Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
47. Hamas apologists denying Israel's right to exist - right here.
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 11:42 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sat Aug 9, 2014, 07:29 PM - Edit history (1)

The state of Israel was authorized by UN Resolution 181:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Establishment_of_the_State_of_Israel

Now, this resolution defined smaller borders for Israel than the territory it currently holds, and the same resolution also authorized an independent state of Palestine. But the Palestinians (most recently via their sometimes-elected representation of Hamas) have refused to recognize Israel for the nearly 70 years since. The wars and terrorist actions that Palestinians (sometimes in conjunction with Arab states) turned out rather poorly (from the Arab perspective). These wars have consequences: namely, less territory than the 1948 resolution would have provided to Palestine.

Funny how Hamas apologists tout all the various anti-Israel UN resolutions endlessly, but the very first Resolution on Israel is dismissed as "ethnic cleansing." That there is some propagandistic bullshit.

Real negotiations will not move forward until the Palestinian side recognizes that it is not 1948, it is not 1967, it is not 1972. It is 2014, and the poor choices made by the PLO, Hamas,and other Palestinian factions in the past determine what is possible now. Israel has every reason to keep much of the territory it occupied in 1967, and it is not 'apartheid' for them to negotiate from this position.

-app

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Israel could have chosen not to murder it's neighbors children 4now Aug 2014 #1
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #4
Indeed oberliner Aug 2014 #16
Precisely! BillZBubb Aug 2014 #21
The Hamas apologists blaming Israel for Hamas atrocities is pathetic. former9thward Aug 2014 #25
Give both sides... RedFury Aug 2014 #30
The Arab militaries were well armed by the Soviet Union. former9thward Aug 2014 #41
Israel drove 80% of the population out of Palestine in 1948 AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #31
No, they did not drive "80% of the population" out. former9thward Aug 2014 #40
that is simply NOT true! Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #43
That book is a score settling book. former9thward Aug 2014 #44
well if you don't accept the history from the standpoint of a former Israeli Foreign Minister Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #45
It's disappointing the evidence that is rejected out of hand..especially in this case. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #46
exactly MFM008 Aug 2014 #67
It is an indication of how much effort is placed on the propaganda for this conflict...fierce. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #69
We can trade quotes all day. former9thward Aug 2014 #52
NYT April 22, 1948:The Arabs agreed to leave Haifa by sea as a surrender condition to Zionist forces Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #55
Ironically, this incident is what led to the famous Blue Meany Aug 2014 #61
You actually believe this? AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #48
Nope Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #50
See post #52. former9thward Aug 2014 #54
Sorry, but that refers very specifically to the single town of Haifa. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #56
Then why didn't they come back AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #57
They have been hoping for generations to come back as conquers. former9thward Aug 2014 #60
You actually believe this? AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #63
Do you have "You actually believe this?" cut/paste in your computer? former9thward Aug 2014 #64
Shame AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #65
To someone whose content in posts is "lol" former9thward Aug 2014 #66
Hamas apologists denying Israel's right to exist - right here. appal_jack Aug 2014 #47
Nope Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #51
Show where Israel affirms Palestine's right to exist AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #59
Israel could have had peace over a decade ago. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #2
Date on that article is May 2001 oberliner Aug 2014 #17
And? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #19
Until Fatah leaders were murdered in Gaza by Hamas. former9thward Aug 2014 #26
Had a deal been made, Hamas would have continued to ramp up attacks oberliner Aug 2014 #38
None of this would be happening if israel was not practicing apartheid against Purveyor Aug 2014 #3
Whenever I see someone use the fraudulent "apartheid" propaganda meme Fozzledick Aug 2014 #5
You seem to have a hard time focusing on the issue rather than the DUer. morningfog Aug 2014 #6
Not at all. The claim is a hateful fraud and part of a malicious propaganda campaign. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #10
Please. Whatever you tell yourself you are doing, you routinely personally attack DUers. morningfog Aug 2014 #13
Thank you. Bohunk68 Aug 2014 #39
That's desperation in all its glory. I would worry I was being thorough if it Purveyor Aug 2014 #11
after watching the excellent documentary "roadmap to apartheid" m-lekktor Aug 2014 #9
That is a very interesting looking documentary trailer 4now Aug 2014 #15
... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #12
if it isn't apartheid... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2014 #24
I think the more apt question is, how close does a country need to get to that definiton before Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #68
Might as well RedFury Aug 2014 #32
The willfully blind and unabashed pro-Hamas support around this place is stunning. LTX Aug 2014 #36
Apartheid AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #49
The world is standing up to Isreali apartheid 4now Aug 2014 #14
The world is not. former9thward Aug 2014 #27
APARTHEID enid602 Aug 2014 #28
Petition asking White House to defund ‘apartheid’ Israel surpasses 100K signatures 4now Aug 2014 #33
100k Israel haters out of 315 million. former9thward Aug 2014 #42
The perfect microcosm.... catnhatnh Aug 2014 #62
Nor would it be happening if Hamas didn't spend the early 2000s blowing up Israeli civilians oberliner Aug 2014 #18
Clawing our way back to the earlier 2000's eh? The "Bulldozer/Butcher" Sharon legacy Purveyor Aug 2014 #23
I think you misunderstood oberliner Aug 2014 #37
The absence of war weakens Hamas. Throd Aug 2014 #7
No RobertEarl Aug 2014 #20
Likud could not accept the Palestinian Unity government. End of story. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #8
You mean the Palestinians could have given in to Israeli occupation and brutalization. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #22
Sometimes, both sides are wrong. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #29
Why,exactly RedFury Aug 2014 #34
Because killing is never right and it never leads to anything but more killing. nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #35
if i lived there i would prob be a member of hamas--so hate me dembotoz Aug 2014 #53
I'm sorry that I broke your fist with my nose... kentuck Aug 2014 #58
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Hamas could have chosen p...»Reply #47