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115. It's pretty easy to take a tank out with anti tank missiles, same for the humvees

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 12:55 PM

Aug 2014

and artillery pieces.
Sooner or later, ISIS would find itself unable to conduct successful combat ops due to the dearth of functioning combat equipment, and at the same time, we can supply the Kurds with the necessary weapons system to counter what ISIS has.
I'm not advocating an open ended commitment on American combat ops, just long enough to assure that the Kurdish and Iraqi Armies have an upper hand on these terrorists.

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Bombing Iraq. Not what I voted for. [View all] grahamhgreen Aug 2014 OP

Good to know Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #1

technically. bush never won. president*. pansypoo53219 Aug 2014 #2

Ignore what? Starving homeless people I walk by on a daily basis? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #84

Sometimes circumstances change. zappaman Aug 2014 #3

Did you vote for ISIS committing wholesale murder? MADem Aug 2014 #4

And ISIS isn't the flowers and candy I expected either. n/t DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #27

1) we destabilized Iraq & Syria 2) we supported ISIS 3) we committed wholesale murder 4) we tortured grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #80

Did you vote for the guy that destabilized Iraq? joshcryer Aug 2014 #136

Hell no! I don't vote for people who can only see violence as the solution to their problems. I grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #138

The MIC always finds a way to trick the voters. CJCRANE Aug 2014 #5

We are exhorted to ignore the patterns. Did you see this post by IchingCarpenter? woo me with science Aug 2014 #67

I didn't vote for the Bush tax cuts RandiFan1290 Aug 2014 #6

I didn't vote for austerity and a surveillance state, either. woo me with science Aug 2014 #8

well, then if bombing Iraq was not what you wanted, you shouldn't have voted for Obomba ellenrr Aug 2014 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Aug 2014 #9

Not what I voted for. Octafish Aug 2014 #10

+10000000000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #15

.... 840high Aug 2014 #97

The Secret Government is eternal hifiguy Aug 2014 #125

you all should ask yourself: How come many of us knew what Obama would do BEFORE he was elected?? ellenrr Aug 2014 #140

You are terribly naive if you think any US President is not going to bomb something somewhere. DCBob Aug 2014 #11

I know, let's not complain about it! woo me with science Aug 2014 #13

Feel free to complain.. DCBob Aug 2014 #24

Again, a smear at those who complain. woo me with science Aug 2014 #32

So it is OK to complain about Obama but not OK ot complain about you krawhitham Aug 2014 #47

When Woo bombs something, you can complain, how's that? n/t BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #139

No one has assumed that. Vattel Aug 2014 #51

When does the bombing end? What is the metric for success? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #105

I suppose when those murderous maniacs are forced to give up trying to take over Iraq and.. DCBob Aug 2014 #119

What's more naive is thinking Americancan end a 1400 year old war by using bombs and torture. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #85

I protested this war back in the Bush era before the war started. DCBob Aug 2014 #121

You get to vote on foreign policy? randome Aug 2014 #12

What is your problem with opposing bombing? woo me with science Aug 2014 #14

I don't oppose bombing the shit out of ISIS. randome Aug 2014 #17

What were you looking for, a dissertation with links? woo me with science Aug 2014 #19

Okay, you and the OP are against bombing evil people. randome Aug 2014 #20

This nation bombs evil people and not so evil people. woo me with science Aug 2014 #21

A valid opinion. I'd even vote for that option to see how it works out. randome Aug 2014 #22

I share your general opposition to bombing the shit out of everything. But Vattel Aug 2014 #53

I appreciate your rational responses throughout this thread, woo me with science Aug 2014 #59

You make a strong case for distrust, and I too am very worried that Vattel Aug 2014 #141

Exactly Woo! Let's try a different solution for once. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #102

Like Saddam? Every right wing talking point has been fetched from the recycling bin. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #25

It's understandable that you're confused. randome Aug 2014 #30

Hussein really was a wolf too. As was Gaddafi. There are all kinds of wolves. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #61

Good points, really. randome Aug 2014 #108

Why not aside from devotion and stubbornness, at least as it relates to actions in the region TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #124

Yeah, but I don't see negotiating with cutthroat murderers to be an option. randome Aug 2014 #128

Let me remind you, these are the same 'evil' forces we supplied to overthrow Syria. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #88

So they should have foreseen this happening, then? randome Aug 2014 #104

Yup. But this outcome is profitable tor the defense industry. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #107

So? That doesn't necessarily mean that trying to stop ISIS springs solely from a profit motive. randome Aug 2014 #111

I'd want a reason why not bombing ISIL is the right choice mythology Aug 2014 #70

More Third Way surrealism. There are several good arguments against bombing above. woo me with science Aug 2014 #72

Because our violent solutions thus far simply further destabilize the region, agreed? Or is it grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #89

We got ISIS by funding these same rebels in Syria. It's a cycle of violence. Just like Vietnam begat grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #82

It hasn't worked out so well, has it? randome Aug 2014 #129

Our representative vote for us. When the cease to represent us, they should be removed. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #81

The list of things I didn't vote for is a hell of a lot longer at this point woo me with science Aug 2014 #16

We all voted for bombing Afghanistan though. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #18

To vote for someone is not to endorse their whole agenda. Vattel Aug 2014 #45

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #23

Wow. Another nuanced opinion expressed. randome Aug 2014 #26

no need for nuance PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #31

If by 'we', you mean America through the years, yes, we have done some atrocious things. randome Aug 2014 #41

And misspelled, to boot. MineralMan Aug 2014 #64

Did not even notice that. randome Aug 2014 #99

Wow!!! IronGate Aug 2014 #66

If the first guy who posted that sentiment had been escorted off the property.... JTFrog Aug 2014 #77

This. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #101

+1. Exactly. n/t FSogol Aug 2014 #135

. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #29

So you agree with ISIS that the Yazidis should be wiped out? MohRokTah Aug 2014 #28

Apparently the Iraqi government asked us to bomb them. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #34

I've noticed a few things more and more MohRokTah Aug 2014 #36

Yup and ... they are starting to fragment some more ... JoePhilly Aug 2014 #40

So true rbrnmw Aug 2014 #94

The op is more against anything Obama does actually madokie Aug 2014 #48

No, I support his effort to close tax loopholes for off shored corporations. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #96

The poutrage continues. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #33

Ah, here you are. Right on cue. woo me with science Aug 2014 #37

I could see the Hair bursting into flames from miles away. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #42

It is sad, so many Repukes on this board PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #46

Yeah, the Repukes posing as liberals to stir shit are sickening. Good catch. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #49

Yup. Another outrage widget gets produced... SidDithers Aug 2014 #50

Always. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #52

Good luck finding a President... SidDithers Aug 2014 #35

Kucinich. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #38

Exactly. And the usual suspects... SidDithers Aug 2014 #44

This appears to be the new talking point. That those who criticize bombing Iraq again woo me with science Aug 2014 #39

So bombing ISIS is bad ... why? JoePhilly Aug 2014 #43

Irony, thy name is Josh. woo me with science Aug 2014 #58

so i need to go read all your posts to find JoePhilly Aug 2014 #123

lol, it is a pretty silly talking point Vattel Aug 2014 #57

+1 Patently absurd. nt woo me with science Aug 2014 #60

your strawman is a strawman TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #75

I think you misread my post, or I screwed up writing it. woo me with science Aug 2014 #79

No one is looking for such a president. Vattel Aug 2014 #54

The OP is...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #55

The OP wants a President who would not use military force under any circumstances? Vattel Aug 2014 #56

We are the problem, not the solution, to the 1400 year old war in Iraq. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #83

No. You voted for a President who would use his wisdom and discretion MineralMan Aug 2014 #62

pay no attention to those pesky issues m-lekktor Aug 2014 #65

Then you run for and get elected President in 2016. IronGate Aug 2014 #63

what a ridiculous & clueless response TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #68

The pathetic joke is your response to my comment, IronGate Aug 2014 #69

you can only think in terms of "generals" and followers, isn't that right? TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #74

Uh huh. IronGate Aug 2014 #76

The thread is being swarmed with diversion woo me with science Aug 2014 #73

He is elected to represent us. We need to let him know our opinion. His job is to do what the grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #91

And sometimes the President needs to make a difficult decision that goes against IronGate Aug 2014 #95

If he had listened to us and remained uninvolved in Syria, Assad would have crushed ISIS in Syria grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #100

We're way beyond Syria and Assad, IronGate Aug 2014 #106

Well, he seems fine with allowing us to torture people. When does the bombing end? By what metric? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #109

And I disagree with his statement on those that committed the torture, IronGate Aug 2014 #112

And if they are never so degraded? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #113

It's pretty easy to take a tank out with anti tank missiles, same for the humvees IronGate Aug 2014 #115

I can get behind supplying the Kurds... Only with a new tax on the wealthy to pay for it and a vote grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #117

We are in agreement. IronGate Aug 2014 #118

This wasn't my vote, either... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #71

+10000 The Global Defense Industry needs to be the topic of discussion. woo me with science Aug 2014 #78

Unfortunately you are presented rock Aug 2014 #86

Obama has always loved playing with his soldiers..... bowens43 Aug 2014 #87

Many did not vote any wars but Roosevelt found himself in a situation outside of his control. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #90

Ah, but we funded ISIS in a glib attempt to overthrow Assad in Syria. So, in my view, grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #93

The US pushed to get Saddam in power while Dddy Bush was with the CIS, Baby Bush got him out. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #114

Leave. We can not solve the 1400 year old war. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #116

Always got plenty of money to bomb the crap out of somewhere... 99Forever Aug 2014 #92

Amen. 840high Aug 2014 #98

+1 grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #103

+1. So sick of it. nt historylovr Aug 2014 #110

No shit. Can't even pass a transportation bill woo me with science Aug 2014 #120

+1 leftstreet Aug 2014 #122

it's not a matter of not having money but republicans not supporting it JI7 Aug 2014 #132

Ahhh bull. 99Forever Aug 2014 #137

Did you vote for genocide? Renew Deal Aug 2014 #126

Neither that, nor calling torturers patriots. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #134

Or, drones, surges, and "collateral damage". Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #127

I agree with little of GOP walkingman Aug 2014 #130

Nobel Peace Prize, representative government... woo me with science Aug 2014 #131

OBama never campaigned as an isolationist and the dem party is not isolationist JI7 Aug 2014 #133

Not in 2000, '04, '08, or '12. nt LWolf Aug 2014 #142