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45. I think you're wrong.

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 01:18 PM

Aug 2014

For one thing, ISIS did not come out of nowhere, contrary to appearances.

Getting to the root of that is essential to determine both what is in fact going on and what to do next.

For another thing, what is the long term goal of ISIS? Talk of a Caliphate aside, which is audacious in its impracticality, they don't appear to have either the means or the ideology to cement there recent gains.

The answer to this question is likely found in the answer to the first question.

When encountering a Tasmanian devil, the first response should not be to call Elmer Fudd with his shotgun.

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So, just so I got this straight... [View all] Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 OP

will suddenly make it a tropical paradise? bowens43 Aug 2014 #1

Because our government made it our business in 2003. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #2

You should be put in prison ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #19

I agree. We broke it, and we have a continuing duty to fix it. Laelth Aug 2014 #31

I'm not sure I'd call one guy 'some on the left'. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #3

It's far more than one guy ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #58

These short term military solutions only create long-term problems. rug Aug 2014 #4

Everything creates long-term problems... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #5

Everything creates long term effects. rug Aug 2014 #7

Well ISIS is obviously a problem... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #38

And what's the long term strategy? rug Aug 2014 #39

What's the long-term strategy in doing nothing? Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #41

I imagine there's a lot of territory between those choices. rug Aug 2014 #42

I don't think there is... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #43

I think you're wrong. rug Aug 2014 #45

But it's also not to just ignore the Tasmanian devil's destruction. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #48

Which brings us back to the starting point. rug Aug 2014 #49

Well I guess only time will tell what possibly that long-term solution is. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #50

Given his access to information I'm sure he has one. rug Aug 2014 #51

It has been articulated ... multiple times. It is... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #65

It has been clearly and specifically articulated .. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #59

That was the goal long before ISIS. rug Aug 2014 #60

Did you hear President Obama ' s comments of this morning? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #61

No, I'll go look for it. rug Aug 2014 #64

It's pretty much what he has been say ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #69

I believe you were referring to his weekly address this morning. rug Aug 2014 #74

I think that the Soviet Union was a problem with or without WWII MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #16

A problem for who? rug Aug 2014 #32

Nonsense. Bombing Libya didn't create any problems. Chathamization Aug 2014 #11

If at first you don't succeed, bomb, bomb again...[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #12

Don't say that too loud, John McCain might steal that one as his new tune davidpdx Aug 2014 #26

"I regret that I have just one bomb to drop for my country." [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #68

They're not even pretending it's gonna be short-term. woo me with science Aug 2014 #55

That was a very misleading headline. I hope... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #66

Not misleading at all. It's a direct quote from Obama. woo me with science Aug 2014 #67

I stand by my statement. Context... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #73

Injury, meet Insult madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #6

I said in '03, and I repeat today, the Iraq Attaq will one day tear this country apart . . . Journeyman Aug 2014 #8

indeed. Duppers Aug 2014 #18

Thanks, but as for me, babylonsister Aug 2014 #9

Well said. nt Andy823 Aug 2014 #36

because the far right and far left connect to complete the political circle snooper2 Aug 2014 #10

You Are Too Kind, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #13

^^^Sadly true^^^ freshwest Aug 2014 #21

Now it's time to arm the Kurds: Hissyspit Aug 2014 #24

What The Magistrate said... nt MADem Aug 2014 #29

Feudalism with a modernized military quaker bill Aug 2014 #34

What is your argument (other than peachy which is your own flourish)? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #53

I Have Simply Described A Position Some Have Maintained Here, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #56

I am in extreme disagreement with your view. politicman Aug 2014 #78

I call bullshit on your post, it starts with the absurd acceptance of "moderate forces" TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #79

understand the dynamics of the religion and region politicman Aug 2014 #80

They have all the answers, don't they? LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #62

I'm kinda weird.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #14

McCain 'lobbyed' very hard for them. Sunlei Aug 2014 #44

Nobody even HEARD of them until after he met with them.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #46

McCain wanted the USA to fund them. Wonder what country/Corp. McCain got to fund them? Sunlei Aug 2014 #57

McCain was attracted to their leader because he was a rich guy.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #63

HEY!! those are OUR desert combat boots!! Sunlei Aug 2014 #71

Plenty of vests and Glocks though. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #72

Good OP. freshwest Aug 2014 #15

I may change my mind about ISIS as more evidence comes out but at this point I beleive they Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #17

K&R Jamaal510 Aug 2014 #20

Thanks. Your idea that "nothing is working" needs to be addressed more. I think many here have ancianita Aug 2014 #22

i basically agree with you i think, but barbtries Aug 2014 #23

"Without sending us to war" Hissyspit Aug 2014 #25

I agree with what you are saying, but still agree with what the OP has said davidpdx Aug 2014 #27

War is Peace! woo me with science Aug 2014 #70

Supporting the Syrian rebels CJCRANE Aug 2014 #28

The left is going to scream no matter what Obama does davidpdx Aug 2014 #30

Since you're not screaming, may it be assumed you're not on the left? rug Aug 2014 #33

I'm not screaming because I don't over react like some on DU davidpdx Aug 2014 #35

McCain commited treason to fund ISIS Multichromatic Aug 2014 #37

Thanks for the links! octoberlib Aug 2014 #75

ODS has gone airborne. msanthrope Aug 2014 #40

its the worst thing hes ever done. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #52

Thank Jeebus he didn't use the word "folks." There might have been a riot. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #54

Not counting taking a vaction and being black. FSogol Aug 2014 #76

Ah-choo! Iggo Aug 2014 #47

It only makes sense that SummerSnow Aug 2014 #77