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Shivering Jemmy

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50. Unproven assertion

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 03:40 PM

Aug 2014

"Our airstrikes are certain to kill far more innocent noncombatants than they will Islamic State fighters"

I think every time you make an assertion without evidence I will highlight and repost it with a note to that end

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We are already making things worse with our air strikes in Iraq. [View all] another_liberal Aug 2014 OP

So we should let ISIS kill them ... so that ISIS won't kidnap them? JoePhilly Aug 2014 #1

We should not invade Iraq in 2003 . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #4

So let ISIS kill them because that would be better. Got it. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #6

Your comment suggests we have the means to prevent Isamic State atrocities . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #13

Oh, we most certainly do have the means. SQUEE Aug 2014 #16

I was referring to our use of military methods . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #64

We do, indeed, have the power to crush IS if we choose to do so. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #21

What does that do? You think they are some random thing that won't continuously reformat? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #57

I said "could" not "should." Laelth Aug 2014 #62

I said nothing about them being Sunni leaders at all. I said the ISIS is a symptom TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #86

Been there, tried that (more than once) . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #65

Cant stop them all, dont stop any. got it. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #39

Sure we do Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #49

I know how hard it must be to accept . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #95

+1000 PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #7

Thank you . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #11

So you and the poster above you would just sit by and let genocide and ethnic cleansing happen? IronGate Aug 2014 #23

Like Obama did for Gaza? RobertEarl Aug 2014 #28

This thread isn't about the I/P conflict, but nice try at diversion. IronGate Aug 2014 #29

Twice? RobertEarl Aug 2014 #32

Once again, this isn't about the I/P conflict, but nice try at diversion. IronGate Aug 2014 #34

They always go back to Gaza LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #42

You should be ashamed of your post. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #79

"To a hammer," someone once said, "everything looks like a nail." another_liberal Aug 2014 #96

I see targeted airstrikes as an temporary answer to take out the heavy armaments that IronGate Aug 2014 #97

Being in a minority here has never bothered me that much . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #100

I agree that it has to be short term, at least until the Kurdish Army IronGate Aug 2014 #101

But we might save more people by blowing up Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #53

Ah, so you think ISIS is just a group of misunderstood freedom fighters, perhaps. randome Aug 2014 #12

I said nothing remotely like that . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #14

Neither do I. But I don't blame Obama for trying to do something. randome Aug 2014 #15

+1000. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #30

"The Islamic State is composed of the worst kind of murders and monsters." Does this include Hamas? LTX Aug 2014 #52

Worse than what? Gman Aug 2014 #2

Worse than otherwise . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #5

air strikes will not do any good, so why use them? politicman Aug 2014 #3

Good points . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #9

We ae not hitting in population centers, we are striking troops and assets in the field, SQUEE Aug 2014 #18

Unproven assertion Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #50

The right kind of airstrikes will do 2 things, decimate ISIL SQUEE Aug 2014 #17

there are no right air strikes, without a target airstrikes are useless... politicman Aug 2014 #20

ISIS is not a guerrilla force hack89 Aug 2014 #24

believe what you like if it will make you feel better about air strikes... politicman Aug 2014 #25

ok nt hack89 Aug 2014 #26

They didn't "defeat" the Iraqis to get the heavy equipment they currently have NickB79 Aug 2014 #45

i look at facts on the ground to support my assertion that ISIS is not so easy to slow down... politicman Aug 2014 #88

Thanks, Hack, you are like a Truther RobertEarl Aug 2014 #31

You seem more over wrought than normal hack89 Aug 2014 #71

Heh RobertEarl Aug 2014 #89

Yes they are, there are plenty of Chechen fighters in ISIS who fought against the Russians... riseabove Aug 2014 #77

ISIS is not a guerrilla force Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #51

You can't fight with guerilla tactics if you have terrirory? Lol huh? riseabove Aug 2014 #78

You really have no idea how effective properly applied air power works SQUEE Aug 2014 #85

Remember Serbia and Bosnia and Kosovo Bandit Aug 2014 #19

not the same sceanrio politicman Aug 2014 #22

Even ISIS uses tanks, Humvees, armored vehicles, and weapon-mount trucks NickB79 Aug 2014 #43

That's exactly what I've been saying, IronGate Aug 2014 #54

...according to RT... SidDithers Aug 2014 #8

Russians have feelings too!! JoePhilly Aug 2014 #10

C'mon, Sid.... Adsos Letter Aug 2014 #90

"taken captive by ISIS" conservaphobe Aug 2014 #27

I don't know where Russia Today has been, but I saw the story of the captured women before the US MH1 Aug 2014 #33

reading comprehension? reorg Aug 2014 #68

Dishonest Headline, Sir: Took Place Before any Air Strikes The Magistrate Aug 2014 #35

Not according to the RT calendar. onenote Aug 2014 #37

The headline should read "Vlad Sez..." Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #38

Well played! zappaman Aug 2014 #40

An RT pusher using a "Dishonest Headline"?! Shocking! or Cha Aug 2014 #66

Put down the crack pipe, Vlad. moondust Aug 2014 #36

I'm not trying to be an ass and I do respect you for presenting another side of the argument. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2014 #41

This news item has been reported elsewhere reorg Aug 2014 #44

The Problem, Sir, Is The Dates, And The O.P.'s Distortion Of Them The Magistrate Aug 2014 #47

not so quick reorg Aug 2014 #61

That, Sir, Is Nothing But 'another_liberal' Speculating The Magistrate Aug 2014 #69

speculation indeed reorg Aug 2014 #72

His Claim Of Fact is Extremely Dishonest, Sir, Just As His Chronology Is Incoherent The Magistrate Aug 2014 #73

what claim of fact? n/t reorg Aug 2014 #76

You know, I'm getting sick and tired of your RT stories. ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #46

We should refute the content of posts, not simply sneer at the source. Maedhros Aug 2014 #55

It's already been shot down a couple of time upthread. Do I need to repeat it? nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #56

I'm just advocating against attacking the source. It is a weak argument. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #59

It is a weak source. nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #60

Yes, it's Putin's Propaganda and anyone who can't realize that hasn't been Cha Aug 2014 #67

It's already been shot down several times. IronGate Aug 2014 #58

Not to make too fine a point, however . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #104

Ok, that's a fair point, IronGate Aug 2014 #105

Of course you could be right . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #106

actually, in my experience RT is a good source reorg Aug 2014 #75

They were captured before the US got involved Renew Deal Aug 2014 #48

Really? The official source suggests otherwise. another_liberal Aug 2014 #63

well, it's not entirely clear reorg Aug 2014 #70

Point taken . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #80

I first read about the abduction of these women several days prior to the airstrikes so this is bs Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #74

Why don't you show us a link . . .? another_liberal Aug 2014 #83

Here are just two links. Jenoch Aug 2014 #84

Where does that article mention four hundred women being kidnapped? another_liberal Aug 2014 #93

Not only have several others shown you links, but you could use a search engine and find facts Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #102

Wednesday was the day . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #103

it seems to be the nature of "airstrikes" to make matters worse n/t reorg Aug 2014 #81

Airstrikes really only work with boots on the ground to clean up. Airstrikes really are for riseabove Aug 2014 #82

Actually it sounds like things are getting better.. DCBob Aug 2014 #87

This has been reported on German TV (Heute Journal) three days ago Blaukraut Aug 2014 #91

Really? another_liberal Aug 2014 #94

Here Blaukraut Aug 2014 #98

Thanks, Blue . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #99

If Irbil falls to Jihadistan, I predict an Iranian invasion of former Iraq. roamer65 Aug 2014 #92