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133. OBama never campaigned as an isolationist and the dem party is not isolationist

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Sat Aug 9, 2014, 06:15 PM

Aug 2014

and will never nominate an isolationist as president.

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Bombing Iraq. Not what I voted for. [View all] grahamhgreen Aug 2014 OP

Good to know Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #1

technically. bush never won. president*. pansypoo53219 Aug 2014 #2

Ignore what? Starving homeless people I walk by on a daily basis? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #84

Sometimes circumstances change. zappaman Aug 2014 #3

Did you vote for ISIS committing wholesale murder? MADem Aug 2014 #4

And ISIS isn't the flowers and candy I expected either. n/t DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #27

1) we destabilized Iraq & Syria 2) we supported ISIS 3) we committed wholesale murder 4) we tortured grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #80

Did you vote for the guy that destabilized Iraq? joshcryer Aug 2014 #136

Hell no! I don't vote for people who can only see violence as the solution to their problems. I grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #138

The MIC always finds a way to trick the voters. CJCRANE Aug 2014 #5

We are exhorted to ignore the patterns. Did you see this post by IchingCarpenter? woo me with science Aug 2014 #67

I didn't vote for the Bush tax cuts RandiFan1290 Aug 2014 #6

I didn't vote for austerity and a surveillance state, either. woo me with science Aug 2014 #8

well, then if bombing Iraq was not what you wanted, you shouldn't have voted for Obomba ellenrr Aug 2014 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Aug 2014 #9

Not what I voted for. Octafish Aug 2014 #10

+10000000000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #15

.... 840high Aug 2014 #97

The Secret Government is eternal hifiguy Aug 2014 #125

you all should ask yourself: How come many of us knew what Obama would do BEFORE he was elected?? ellenrr Aug 2014 #140

You are terribly naive if you think any US President is not going to bomb something somewhere. DCBob Aug 2014 #11

I know, let's not complain about it! woo me with science Aug 2014 #13

Feel free to complain.. DCBob Aug 2014 #24

Again, a smear at those who complain. woo me with science Aug 2014 #32

So it is OK to complain about Obama but not OK ot complain about you krawhitham Aug 2014 #47

When Woo bombs something, you can complain, how's that? n/t BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #139

No one has assumed that. Vattel Aug 2014 #51

When does the bombing end? What is the metric for success? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #105

I suppose when those murderous maniacs are forced to give up trying to take over Iraq and.. DCBob Aug 2014 #119

What's more naive is thinking Americancan end a 1400 year old war by using bombs and torture. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #85

I protested this war back in the Bush era before the war started. DCBob Aug 2014 #121

You get to vote on foreign policy? randome Aug 2014 #12

What is your problem with opposing bombing? woo me with science Aug 2014 #14

I don't oppose bombing the shit out of ISIS. randome Aug 2014 #17

What were you looking for, a dissertation with links? woo me with science Aug 2014 #19

Okay, you and the OP are against bombing evil people. randome Aug 2014 #20

This nation bombs evil people and not so evil people. woo me with science Aug 2014 #21

A valid opinion. I'd even vote for that option to see how it works out. randome Aug 2014 #22

I share your general opposition to bombing the shit out of everything. But Vattel Aug 2014 #53

I appreciate your rational responses throughout this thread, woo me with science Aug 2014 #59

You make a strong case for distrust, and I too am very worried that Vattel Aug 2014 #141

Exactly Woo! Let's try a different solution for once. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #102

Like Saddam? Every right wing talking point has been fetched from the recycling bin. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #25

It's understandable that you're confused. randome Aug 2014 #30

Hussein really was a wolf too. As was Gaddafi. There are all kinds of wolves. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #61

Good points, really. randome Aug 2014 #108

Why not aside from devotion and stubbornness, at least as it relates to actions in the region TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #124

Yeah, but I don't see negotiating with cutthroat murderers to be an option. randome Aug 2014 #128

Let me remind you, these are the same 'evil' forces we supplied to overthrow Syria. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #88

So they should have foreseen this happening, then? randome Aug 2014 #104

Yup. But this outcome is profitable tor the defense industry. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #107

So? That doesn't necessarily mean that trying to stop ISIS springs solely from a profit motive. randome Aug 2014 #111

I'd want a reason why not bombing ISIL is the right choice mythology Aug 2014 #70

More Third Way surrealism. There are several good arguments against bombing above. woo me with science Aug 2014 #72

Because our violent solutions thus far simply further destabilize the region, agreed? Or is it grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #89

We got ISIS by funding these same rebels in Syria. It's a cycle of violence. Just like Vietnam begat grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #82

It hasn't worked out so well, has it? randome Aug 2014 #129

Our representative vote for us. When the cease to represent us, they should be removed. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #81

The list of things I didn't vote for is a hell of a lot longer at this point woo me with science Aug 2014 #16

We all voted for bombing Afghanistan though. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #18

To vote for someone is not to endorse their whole agenda. Vattel Aug 2014 #45

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Wow. Another nuanced opinion expressed. randome Aug 2014 #26

no need for nuance PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #31

If by 'we', you mean America through the years, yes, we have done some atrocious things. randome Aug 2014 #41

And misspelled, to boot. MineralMan Aug 2014 #64

Did not even notice that. randome Aug 2014 #99

Wow!!! IronGate Aug 2014 #66

If the first guy who posted that sentiment had been escorted off the property.... JTFrog Aug 2014 #77

This. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #101

+1. Exactly. n/t FSogol Aug 2014 #135

. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #29

So you agree with ISIS that the Yazidis should be wiped out? MohRokTah Aug 2014 #28

Apparently the Iraqi government asked us to bomb them. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #34

I've noticed a few things more and more MohRokTah Aug 2014 #36

Yup and ... they are starting to fragment some more ... JoePhilly Aug 2014 #40

So true rbrnmw Aug 2014 #94

The op is more against anything Obama does actually madokie Aug 2014 #48

No, I support his effort to close tax loopholes for off shored corporations. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #96

The poutrage continues. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #33

Ah, here you are. Right on cue. woo me with science Aug 2014 #37

I could see the Hair bursting into flames from miles away. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #42

It is sad, so many Repukes on this board PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #46

Yeah, the Repukes posing as liberals to stir shit are sickening. Good catch. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #49

Yup. Another outrage widget gets produced... SidDithers Aug 2014 #50

Always. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #52

Good luck finding a President... SidDithers Aug 2014 #35

Kucinich. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #38

Exactly. And the usual suspects... SidDithers Aug 2014 #44

This appears to be the new talking point. That those who criticize bombing Iraq again woo me with science Aug 2014 #39

So bombing ISIS is bad ... why? JoePhilly Aug 2014 #43

Irony, thy name is Josh. woo me with science Aug 2014 #58

so i need to go read all your posts to find JoePhilly Aug 2014 #123

lol, it is a pretty silly talking point Vattel Aug 2014 #57

+1 Patently absurd. nt woo me with science Aug 2014 #60

your strawman is a strawman TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #75

I think you misread my post, or I screwed up writing it. woo me with science Aug 2014 #79

No one is looking for such a president. Vattel Aug 2014 #54

The OP is...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #55

The OP wants a President who would not use military force under any circumstances? Vattel Aug 2014 #56

We are the problem, not the solution, to the 1400 year old war in Iraq. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #83

No. You voted for a President who would use his wisdom and discretion MineralMan Aug 2014 #62

pay no attention to those pesky issues m-lekktor Aug 2014 #65

Then you run for and get elected President in 2016. IronGate Aug 2014 #63

what a ridiculous & clueless response TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #68

The pathetic joke is your response to my comment, IronGate Aug 2014 #69

you can only think in terms of "generals" and followers, isn't that right? TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #74

Uh huh. IronGate Aug 2014 #76

The thread is being swarmed with diversion woo me with science Aug 2014 #73

He is elected to represent us. We need to let him know our opinion. His job is to do what the grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #91

And sometimes the President needs to make a difficult decision that goes against IronGate Aug 2014 #95

If he had listened to us and remained uninvolved in Syria, Assad would have crushed ISIS in Syria grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #100

We're way beyond Syria and Assad, IronGate Aug 2014 #106

Well, he seems fine with allowing us to torture people. When does the bombing end? By what metric? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #109

And I disagree with his statement on those that committed the torture, IronGate Aug 2014 #112

And if they are never so degraded? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #113

It's pretty easy to take a tank out with anti tank missiles, same for the humvees IronGate Aug 2014 #115

I can get behind supplying the Kurds... Only with a new tax on the wealthy to pay for it and a vote grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #117

We are in agreement. IronGate Aug 2014 #118

This wasn't my vote, either... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #71

+10000 The Global Defense Industry needs to be the topic of discussion. woo me with science Aug 2014 #78

Unfortunately you are presented rock Aug 2014 #86

Obama has always loved playing with his soldiers..... bowens43 Aug 2014 #87

Many did not vote any wars but Roosevelt found himself in a situation outside of his control. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #90

Ah, but we funded ISIS in a glib attempt to overthrow Assad in Syria. So, in my view, grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #93

The US pushed to get Saddam in power while Dddy Bush was with the CIS, Baby Bush got him out. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #114

Leave. We can not solve the 1400 year old war. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #116

Always got plenty of money to bomb the crap out of somewhere... 99Forever Aug 2014 #92

Amen. 840high Aug 2014 #98

+1 grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #103

+1. So sick of it. nt historylovr Aug 2014 #110

No shit. Can't even pass a transportation bill woo me with science Aug 2014 #120

+1 leftstreet Aug 2014 #122

it's not a matter of not having money but republicans not supporting it JI7 Aug 2014 #132

Ahhh bull. 99Forever Aug 2014 #137

Did you vote for genocide? Renew Deal Aug 2014 #126

Neither that, nor calling torturers patriots. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #134

Or, drones, surges, and "collateral damage". Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #127

I agree with little of GOP walkingman Aug 2014 #130

Nobel Peace Prize, representative government... woo me with science Aug 2014 #131

OBama never campaigned as an isolationist and the dem party is not isolationist JI7 Aug 2014 #133

Not in 2000, '04, '08, or '12. nt LWolf Aug 2014 #142