There is nothing wrong with Porn & Prostitution

[cui bono]

283. I'm not causing any harm to anyone who doesn't find porn degrading.

However, those who don't find it degrading are causing harm to women, imo.

You did far worse than my speculating on your possible fear of women because of how you deal with this issue, you attempted to derail the discussion by bringing in extremist examples in an attempt to paint the opposition as crazy and invalidate that position - and after being called on it you doubled down and did it yet again. And rather than attempt to actually discuss the issue you kept trying to paint it as me and others telling you what you could and could not watch, which was never the case. And then you wrongly inferred that I was going through your videos and then lecturing you about what you were watching, by likening my posts to you looking through my books and lecturing me on what authors I was reading. Basically, you were doing everything you could to avoid an actual discussion. I made an observation on your behavior and how it came across. I could have not done that, I'm sorry if that offended you.

As to the your "not listening" part. Well, if you have a problem with that then all you have to do is to start listening. And that doesn't mean taking orders, it means just that, listening. Listening to the concerns of others. There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing that, there is everything right in doing that. Communication takes listening. It can't happen without it. Period. You can't possibly understand another's concerns without listening. Again I refer you to what I've said twice now that you never address:

I try to understand what it must be like to grow up black or gay in this country all the time. It's not up to me to define what is and isn't racist or homophobic, it's up to me to understand why blacks or gays feel something is racist or homophobic. I certainly don't go around trying to define it for them and tell them they are wrong to feel oppressed. If they tell me something is offensive to them or degrading to them or oppressive to them I try to understand why they feel that way, I don't go telling them they are wrong.

Oh, as to your "baseline". You are doing exactly what you accuse me of when you say porn is not degrading to women. And you're not even a woman, you are part of the gender in power, so why do you think you get to be the spokesman of what is or is not degrading to women? Hint, you don't. Just as I, as a white person, don't get to define what is and isn't racist. See excerpt above.

Your accusation is also wrong in that I specifically use the term "most porn" to distinguish from the porn that is not degrading to women. Therefore I cannot possibly be thinking of porn as a "monolith" so I don't know what you're talking about there but it is completely wrong and doesn't make any sense at all.

And most porn is of a certain type. You are the only one I see arguing that it's not. I've seen several male posters in this thread alone describing it as mistreating women. If you don't think facials are degrading then it just shows how far we have yet to go and proves my point as to how porn affects the male's view of women in society.

Bye now.