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exboyfil

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97. Maybe not this incident

Sun Aug 10, 2014, 01:41 PM

Aug 2014

but lets say intent was clearer. They can suspend indefinitely for a gay slur - I would think they could punish something like racing under caution and killing a track worker.

Nationwide Series driver Nelson Piquet Jr. has been fined $10,000 and placed on indefinite probation, and he will have to attend sensitivity training after using a gay slur on social media.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1795345-nelson-piquet-jr-penalized-for-violating-nascars-code-of-conduct-policy

Probation? Is that really taking it seriously. If nothing more the entire tone of these incidents needs to change starting with the announcers.

No penalty for Stewart in helmet throwing incident.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/story/2012-08-27/tony-stewart-fine-throwing-helmet-at-matt-kenseth-at-bristol

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Tony Stewart Runs Over Driver During Confrontation, Killing Him [View all] madokie Aug 2014 OP

Stewart appears to accelerate exboyfil Aug 2014 #1

You mean using cars agressively BainsBane Aug 2014 #108

I am not saying what should happen exboyfil Aug 2014 #132

The victim was a fool, clearly BainsBane Aug 2014 #134

Subject to interpretation exboyfil Aug 2014 #162

Those are some lame looking cars too BainsBane Aug 2014 #135

They are Sprint cars exboyfil Aug 2014 #161

I just saw the video yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #151

I don't know about poor Tony Stewart exboyfil Aug 2014 #164

lol,that was funny as hell BootinUp Aug 2014 #176

Stewart did not run over him. Are_grits_groceries Aug 2014 #2

I didn't see that in the video I watched... HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #7

He murded him, guess he can play with matchbox cars in prison snooper2 Aug 2014 #43

he murdered him? qazplm Aug 2014 #58

thank you. confronting speeding car on foot = you lose. sad. out of control temper tantrums kill. elehhhhna Aug 2014 #60

Initially the asshole decided to still race today. Wow, bad PR move. Luckily for him his handlers... Logical Aug 2014 #122

No. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #3

Why was he walking into the middle of a track of speeding race cars? PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #4

anger of the moment overtook better judgement, I suppose eShirl Aug 2014 #5

I thought that too treestar Aug 2014 #35

Yeah, that's the takeaway for me, to be honest. closeupready Aug 2014 #48

Drivers do that other times. People don't run over them. n-t Logical Aug 2014 #123

Stupid is as stupid does. Get out of your car in the middle of a car race, closeupready Aug 2014 #127

Really? Need some videos where they don't get killed? nt Logical Aug 2014 #128

My reaction, too. Fawke Em Aug 2014 #68

He stabbed the throttle. Tires break loose, he hits man. DiverDave Aug 2014 #6

I agree with that madokie Aug 2014 #9

'According to the sheriff, no charges are pending'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #51

At this point in time they have to say that madokie Aug 2014 #85

If the incident occurred as described Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #87

At the very least madokie Aug 2014 #91

The dead guys behaviour is common in this situation, they all do it on this type of track randys1 Aug 2014 #88

I see a poster or two repeatedly saying Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #102

He is doing it on purpose to respond to the driver who is yelling at him, it is negligence and randys1 Aug 2014 #152

Time to vote that jerk out 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #111

Reporter on NASCAR website exboyfil Aug 2014 #45

NASCAR has no jurisdiction. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #59

I would think that they could exboyfil Aug 2014 #70

No, they won't penalize him for a racing incident under another sanctioning body. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #72

Maybe not this incident exboyfil Aug 2014 #97

Sprint cars are steered via the throttle. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #170

Making a stupid move that kills someone would normally get you a manslaughter charge. brewens Aug 2014 #177

Drivers who witnessed say it was an accident.... trumad Aug 2014 #8

So, since I'm not a driver on the scene DiverDave Aug 2014 #10

You can think whatever you want... trumad Aug 2014 #11

You have a point, however safeinOhio Aug 2014 #14

So who wears... daleanime Aug 2014 #52

And eyewitnesses are never wrong. phil89 Aug 2014 #57

You obviously don't know squat about sprint cars. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #63

In the video its pretty obvious that he blipped the throttle madokie Aug 2014 #12

Well---again... trumad Aug 2014 #13

Of course they are madokie Aug 2014 #16

Yep, from all the video evidence, looks like manslaughter. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #24

Total accident yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #121

So in your world "due process" means "decision without trial"? jberryhill Aug 2014 #90

Did I say that madokie Aug 2014 #138

Um, I wasn't replying to you jberryhill Aug 2014 #149

My bad madokie Aug 2014 #167

Those saying.. sendero Aug 2014 #140

Sure it is madokie Aug 2014 #141

I meant.. sendero Aug 2014 #143

I knew that, I was just reiterating what I have already said madokie Aug 2014 #144

That would be the police, and other drivers... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #153

Just like.. sendero Aug 2014 #159

Mechanics of driving Sprint cars. Calista241 Aug 2014 #137

man, lets just let the superstar off. DiverDave Aug 2014 #146

he wont be touched backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #168

That's not at all obvious. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #172

Fully agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #171

Every eyewitness in the stands say otherwise. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #15

You can see for yourself that he gunned the engine madokie Aug 2014 #17

You don't know what you're talking about. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #154

A jury is going to be shown the video. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #22

And drivers would never, ever lie to protect one of their own n/t n2doc Aug 2014 #34

Why wouldn't they protect Stewart, then? closeupready Aug 2014 #49

Drivers generally don't like drivers who kill other drivers on the track. JVS Aug 2014 #54

There doesn't have to be intent or purpose to commit a crime. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #92

negligence is getting out of your car and walking towards the racing line frylock Aug 2014 #145

"I'm Tony Stewart, dickhead... and you're not. So back the FUCK up." cherokeeprogressive Aug 2014 #105

Yup. That's what it seems like to me. DanTex Aug 2014 #107

Ward walked into the middle of the track with fast oncoming cars heading his way. trumad Aug 2014 #109

Actually the cars had slowed down considerably by the time he got to the point of impact madokie Aug 2014 #113

Bank on it. trumad Aug 2014 #115

We will see won't we madokie Aug 2014 #116

Why would his career be over? trumad Aug 2014 #117

I predict you're both right. Stewart will get no criminal charges & no sponsors behind him to race. TeamPooka Aug 2014 #169

+1000. And this particular "keyboard warrior" actually attended the first two bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #163

Of course they did. Stewart could ruin them. nt Logical Aug 2014 #124

Trumad is right. Now I need a shower. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #173

Need info...Questions.. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #18

Thank you trumad Aug 2014 #19

Thank you for the Thank You but why? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #20

Debating folks here that seem to immediately have jumped to a conclusion trumad Aug 2014 #21

From what I can see.. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #25

You're basing what you say on what the drivers are saying, or so you say madokie Aug 2014 #26

A charge isn't a "conclusion" jberryhill Aug 2014 #31

And there is definitely a reason for questioning in this case madokie Aug 2014 #32

The distance Stewart's car travelled after hitting Ward is incriminating. greyl Aug 2014 #166

Answers MohRokTah Aug 2014 #23

Interesting. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #27

Looks that way to me too madokie Aug 2014 #30

Hitting the throttle sounds exactly like down shifting. ieoeja Aug 2014 #165

See post #154 lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #175

Per ESPN Radio tthis morning: as af 9 AM Eastern, Stewart still intends to race today Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #28

As of 10am hes NOT driving today. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #66

NASCAR is the governing body of today's race Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #131

No, the decision was Stewart's. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #133

I suspect that Stewart won't be racing anytime soon madokie Aug 2014 #136

Well, the decision to resume racing will be Stewart's. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #158

how absolutely horrible bigtree Aug 2014 #29

What a terrible situation. 99Forever Aug 2014 #33

If 'heat of the moment racing incidents' are 'VERY common' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #95

You obviously have no idea of what it is you speak of. 99Forever Aug 2014 #147

Tony Stewart had better retain a criminal attorney. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #36

He won't need one. See my post. Lochloosa Aug 2014 #38

I have raced sprint cars. The first thing they teach you is to stay in your car Lochloosa Aug 2014 #37

Now that is some 1st hand knowledge/viewpoint. maced666 Aug 2014 #39

I thought the first thing they teach you is... Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #41

Well that goes without saying. Lochloosa Aug 2014 #42

Anyone who needs to be taught that is beyond instruction JVS Aug 2014 #56

So do they teach you when you are under a yellow flag and another racer is on the track screaming snooper2 Aug 2014 #44

Maybe you should look at the video again. Those card are going fast. Lochloosa Aug 2014 #89

The driver was wrong in exiting the car and exboyfil Aug 2014 #47

He may have throttled up to avoid collision. At least that's what the guy who hit me said. freshwest Aug 2014 #96

Apart from accelerating under a yellow flag, that is. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #73

You can accelerate under yellow flag. EX500rider Aug 2014 #84

Is there a specific rule that mandates that? AngryOldDem Aug 2014 #77

I'm not aware of a specific rule but in drivers meetings they cover it Lochloosa Aug 2014 #94

Yeah, but you know what they say about common sense. AngryOldDem Aug 2014 #114

I thought there was SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #120

Ugly shit. Don't know the outcome legally... Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #40

NASCAR has absolutely no jurisdiction. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #65

I read some bad info on another site regarding this event. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #74

Poor lighting, and the driver was wearing black suit, black helmet. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #81

Hope he likes prison TransitJohn Aug 2014 #46

<rolleyes> HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #67

he gunned his engine as he passed the guy TransitJohn Aug 2014 #79

You obviously know nothing about sprint cars. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #83

I watched the video Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #50

Fish tailed to hit Ward? doxydad Aug 2014 #53

I doubt Stewart even saw PumpkinAle Aug 2014 #55

Yellow flag means that you go slow enough to react to dangerous conditions. Coventina Aug 2014 #61

Holy shit! Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #62

Well, Tony is a hothead, but I doubt his intention was to kill this guy, Baclava Aug 2014 #64

I agree. #45 almost hit him before Stewart did. It could have easily been one of Skeeter Barnes Aug 2014 #69

Right now I don't think it was intentional, either. Just too many unanswered questions. AngryOldDem Aug 2014 #76

It first appears that Tony Stewart ran Kevin Ward Jr into the wall cpwm17 Aug 2014 #71

What is "blipped the throttle"? Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #75

A quick open and close of the throttle. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #80

Wow - thanks for the explanation Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #82

"And why was that dude running into the middle of the track? Is that common after a wreck?" EX500rider Aug 2014 #86

Looked like he committed suicide because he had a bad temper. B Calm Aug 2014 #93

Pure speculation on my part, but I just don't know the drivers intentions. Rex Aug 2014 #78

And the Darwin Award goes to Ward WhaTHellsgoingonhere Aug 2014 #98

Seriously, I cannot believe he got out of his car and walked to the middle of the track Rex Aug 2014 #100

It would be like getting out of your car on a freeway. trumad Aug 2014 #101

Yes!! Rex Aug 2014 #104

No it wouldn't madokie Aug 2014 #142

He was hit by a car going as fast as the other cars, so no I think it is a good comparison. Rex Aug 2014 #174

I don't think Stewart hit the throttle teach1st Aug 2014 #99

Tragic accident that never, ever should have happened. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #103

Pro tip: don't run into the middle of a live racetrack and try to stop a racecar with your finger. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #106

Hell yeah its a bad idea. trumad Aug 2014 #110

Why would you get out of your car and step into traffic? liberal N proud Aug 2014 #112

If nothing else, I hope this spurs a bunch of MAJOR rule changes Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #118

"it adds some kind of pro wrestling-style "spice" that the fans love" JVS Aug 2014 #150

This shit is part of racing and all have a good laugh... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Aug 2014 #119

Another reminder why I will never be fan of that nonsense. Dawson Leery Aug 2014 #125

Looks to be intentionally hit. Owl Aug 2014 #126

Oh, horseshit. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #129

How do people watch racing Politicalboi Aug 2014 #139

With that type of race and car, I doubt there are onboard cameras like with Indy Car & NASCAR AngryOldDem Aug 2014 #148

Not TV cameras. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #155

Thanks -- didn't know that. AngryOldDem Aug 2014 #160

I have heard others joking about someone going to play in the traffic but it Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #156