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MrModerate

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95. This is a thought-provoking article, and quite detailed . . .

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Sun Aug 10, 2014, 11:50 PM

Aug 2014

And my response is simpler than the article itself: Of course Jon Stewart isn't enough. Of course bad leadership must be called out and criticized. And of course "placing a progressive agenda" at the heart of a party need not be antithetical to a fight for "a party's soul."

But at the same time, we acknowledge that the other side, in the aggregate is vastly more damaging to the lives of our fellow citizens than those who call themselves Democrats but don't seem to behave that way.

So when it comes to elections, sometimes we have to hold our noses. And have faith that upon attaining ascendancy, that we can and will use that power to move our own partisans closer to a genuine "progressive agenda."

Call me Pollyanna, but the right wing scares me more than right-leaning Dems.

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Thomas Frank calls out blind partisanship by Dems [View all] Proud Public Servant Aug 2014 OP

It's been a puzzle why our Dem Party hasn't seized the talking points KoKo Aug 2014 #1

There is no mystery. n2doc Aug 2014 #3

would.... daleanime Aug 2014 #17

I don't think HRC will bother trying to hide her biases n2doc Aug 2014 #21

Exactly. Who to vote for president in ballyhoo Aug 2014 #24

I'm off Warren since she passively announced her position on the Gaza situation AlbertCat Aug 2014 #34

It's a matter of order of importance for me. If a ballyhoo Aug 2014 #39

I may have to face a higher power some day. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #43

The body of your post disavowed your header. For me: ballyhoo Aug 2014 #50

clutching a roll of quarters during their last breath. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #56

Good. Let's say we have a different idea about what will ballyhoo Aug 2014 #57

You are welcome to your beliefs, however passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #68

No mention, sleight or otherwise, was made of or about atheists, so any insult perceived by ballyhoo Aug 2014 #73

You conveniently ignored that I didn't just mention atheists passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #74

I am superior to my God, and that is who I continue reinforcing allegiance to. While ballyhoo Aug 2014 #78

You have a good life too passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #79

Those are the Ones Who Got Run Over While Trying to Feed the Parking Meter AndyTiedye Aug 2014 #83

I know. I usually have to use a credit card. $2.00 for ballyhoo Aug 2014 #86

So Then the GOP Wins and Doubles Aid to Israel, but Your Conscience is Clean AndyTiedye Aug 2014 #84

If H. Clinton-Sachs runs, then all bets are off. It won't be on those of us that won't vote for her rhett o rick Aug 2014 #94

That depends on the importance of the issue, doesn't it?? And THIS is a VERY important issue. I am sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #92

exactly. I had my concerns prior to election, but the first day after election 2banon Aug 2014 #33

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #15

Or at least, they don't vote that way n/t n2doc Aug 2014 #22

Democrats have been very progressive on social issues... kentuck Aug 2014 #27

"Economic" and "social" are not really separate YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #59

I would imagine the vast majority of the electorate isn't aware that the number one octoberlib Aug 2014 #46

I largely agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #49

when 10s of thousands of young and old were involved in the occupy movement questionseverything Aug 2014 #52

It's not that the Democratic Party isn't listening, Maedhros Aug 2014 #65

10s of thousands ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #101

way to ignore questionseverything Aug 2014 #102

What does that have to do with your "vast majority" claim? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #104

Because Reps are beholden.. sendero Aug 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Aug 2014 #71

Problem is, there really isn't another choice n2doc Aug 2014 #2

That's what they told people on plantations, too. But there was. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2014 #5

Occupy tried that. See where it got them n/t n2doc Aug 2014 #6

It took a Civil War and millions dying to effect the other. That would be like comparing it to a jtuck004 Aug 2014 #8

If We Have One of Those Now We Would Probably Lose AndyTiedye Aug 2014 #82

You mistake what I said. I just used that as a comparison, not a suggestion for a strategy. jtuck004 Aug 2014 #87

The Kind of Unity You Envisage is Not Possible AndyTiedye Aug 2014 #88

At some point those fredamae Aug 2014 #4

It's a sell out. zeemike Aug 2014 #18

K&R! DeSwiss Aug 2014 #7

K & R! n/t RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #9

The Democratic Party is a complete non-entity Cosmocat Aug 2014 #10

If you don't know what Democrats are about ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #19

you missed the point, pretty badly Cosmocat Aug 2014 #23

No, I haven't missed your point ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #29

Yeah Cosmocat Aug 2014 #53

Okay, I just read the snippet and ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #11

K&R 99Forever Aug 2014 #12

That has DU written all over it. L0oniX Aug 2014 #13

The Democratic Party needs and wants the Left ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #28

There is no fear of the left... kentuck Aug 2014 #32

Why should the Democratic Party Establishment ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #36

This is just my opinion... kentuck Aug 2014 #42

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #48

You really had to say that, didn't you. The Left "Throwing a tantrum". 2banon Aug 2014 #37

Yes, I did ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #38

What exactly in my response motivates you? Because I feel insulted and condescended to? 2banon Aug 2014 #41

I'm sorry that you feel insulted and condescended to ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #44

Certainly you're intelligent enough to know very well there's a hell of a lot more to it than that. 2banon Aug 2014 #55

+1 historylovr Aug 2014 #62

But it all changed with few noticing. busterbrown Aug 2014 #66

But the Left WAS noticing with a very sharp eye, and sounding the horns 2banon Aug 2014 #70

"Temper tantrums" - it's as if Rahm Emmanuel is posting here . . . hatrack Aug 2014 #99

As far as I can tell, the Democratic party historylovr Aug 2014 #47

Yes, the Democratic Party needs/wants the left's 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #51

I agree with you re: the party and the left when it comes to social issues. historylovr Aug 2014 #60

Why do you not eludicate what you mean by 'tactics'. What 'tactics' do liberals have that you Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #63

I am NOT a "conservative" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #103

exactly, Phlem Aug 2014 #61

HRC is an unacceptable choice for a presidential candidate. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #14

Not a mystery Rapillion Aug 2014 #16

+1 zeemike Aug 2014 #20

Thank you! Nt Rapillion Aug 2014 #75

Yep, it has to be all out, 100 percent Cosmocat Aug 2014 #25

People get what they deserve Rapillion Aug 2014 #76

What People Get Has Nothing to Do With What they Deserve Most of the Time AndyTiedye Aug 2014 #89

In my opinion, the bottom line... kentuck Aug 2014 #26

yes..and we keep trying to get that message out... KoKo Aug 2014 #80

Spot-On, Outstanding Commentary. 2banon Aug 2014 #30

one side is markedly better than the other; and no criticism of the leadership can be tolerated. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #31

Who? nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #35

Well the propaganda sure tries to foment blind partisanship. woo me with science Aug 2014 #40

"The Great Depression of the 1930s was awful, BumRushDaShow Aug 2014 #45

Well said. YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #58

It still amazes me that Reid has not ended the filibuster. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #54

Some of this is the Democrats bragging that they can make Wall Street happier than Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #64

democrats sold their soles to wall street after reagan. BIZNESS FRENDLEE. pansypoo53219 Aug 2014 #67

THIS. The best thing I've read here in a while. Wasserman-Schultz and Schumer can suck it. ancianita Aug 2014 #72

"dreadful news like this should be rocket fuel. For the Dems, however, it hasn�t been." WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2014 #77

Rocket Fuel Does Us No Good When We Got No Rocket AndyTiedye Aug 2014 #81

We have the rocket -- THE WHITE HOUSE. WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2014 #90

The White House is Only as Much of a "Bully Pulpit" as the Media Allows it to Be AndyTiedye Aug 2014 #97

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #85

Washington DC is a racket. Both Parties are BOUGHT. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #91

So True And Thanks For Posting This PPS!! raindaddy Aug 2014 #93

This is a thought-provoking article, and quite detailed . . . MrModerate Aug 2014 #95

The Democrats get campaign contributions from corporations too, no real mystery here. Dustlawyer Aug 2014 #96

knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #98

Huge K&R! The most important vote we have today is our money and our time. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #100