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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. Anytime some group is oppressed, it is an issue to people who fight oppression.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 04:42 AM
Aug 2014

And there aren't THAT many people who say there's NOTHING good about Israel. I actually admire a lot of things about the place myself(particularly the socialist aspects that both Likud AND Labor are now, tragically, committed to wiping out). For most, the argument is that the good things don't vindicate the bad things(LGBTQ policy and personal liberalism if no longer any vestiges of workers' rights or a commitment to social equality don't mean that the Occupation, the settlements and the bombing
are acceptable).

The reason the Israeli government keeps bringing up the LGBTQ issue is that they are arguing that, if Israel is somewhat better than the Arab world(a place that is deeply repressive and needs a revolution-from-below, as the people of the Arab Spring were valiantly trying to start)on this issue and some other things, this somehow means that what they are doing to the Palestinians either doesn't matter or is, to some degree, justified. The latter point is absurd, of course, because nothing Netanyahu and the IDF are doing is ever even possibly going to have the effect of helping liberate gays in Palestine or anywhere else in the Arab world. Pinkwashing is about trying to use progressive policy in one area to leverage acquiescence about reactionary and oppressive policies in another.

The OP makes a valid point. It is wrong to try to whip the LGBTQ community into support of or silence about what Israeli does to Palestinians just because LGBTQ people in Israel(and I'm not sure this includes LGBTQ Israeli Arabs)have a better deal than they would in Saudi Arabia.

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Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #1
It's simply exploitation of one group to justify violence against another Scootaloo Aug 2014 #2
"...Colonel Eyal Qarim of the Military Rabbinate.. Segami Aug 2014 #3
Excellent article, thank you. It nails a growing problem that needs to be exposed, and that is the sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #4
Divide and Rule malaise Aug 2014 #18
Thank you for getting the truth out Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #5
Disgusting divisive crap. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #6
You're missing the point. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #7
How do you retain the right to make such a claim? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #8
No strawman. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #9
Yes, it is a strawman. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #10
Anytime some group is oppressed, it is an issue to people who fight oppression. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #11
There is a difference which seems you don't understand. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #12
Why are you laughing at that first point? Ken Burch Aug 2014 #13
You don't get it? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #14
"Pinkwashing" is almost exclusively used to refer to Israel. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17
It is actually quite relevant to the I/P issue. joshcryer Aug 2014 #16
"Israel's progressive nature on social issues"? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #19
There is no comparison being made. joshcryer Aug 2014 #20
And? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #21
I do think it matters. joshcryer Aug 2014 #23
I don't know, I rather suspect... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #25
That's absurd. joshcryer Aug 2014 #30
I'm not talking about Palestinian refugees, whatever their status or the legitimacy of their claims. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #31
They are almost certainly Palestinian "refugees." joshcryer Aug 2014 #32
You seem to be very confused. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #33
Read the self-identification at the citation. joshcryer Aug 2014 #34
You're still very confused. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #35
You're right, a little confused. joshcryer Aug 2014 #36
Okay, you're not confused, you're an idiot. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #41
Speaking of marriage... DanTex Aug 2014 #38
Can you imagine passing a law saying Native Americans can't leave their reservation? joshcryer Aug 2014 #39
Yeah, but nobody's talk about bout how progressive a nation that Syria is. DanTex Aug 2014 #40
what a steaming pile m-lekktor Aug 2014 #22
"the only people with rights in right wing, racist Israel are Jews." oberliner Aug 2014 #26
k nr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #15
one of the best pieces of i have seen on pinkwashing! m-lekktor Aug 2014 #24
"Israel truly is disgusting" oberliner Aug 2014 #27
I wonder if anyone in this thread knows any Palestinian gay people personally, any Israeli gay Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #28
Thank you for posing this message oberliner Aug 2014 #37
Plenty of pinkwashing happening on DU too Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #29
K&R!!! mwrguy Aug 2014 #42
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