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3. Water

Mon Aug 11, 2014, 10:39 AM

Aug 2014

---so basic. People don't want to face the fact that it might not be so good for you. I couldn't agree more that we are dealing with the abuse of science, with regard to fluoridation and GMOs.

Understandable that people would ignore this--typical in these times when we have to worry about everything from climate change, to the NSA, to drones, to the bees, to kids getting shot at school, to the healthcare nightmare, to food sources, not to mention the massive draining of the middle class financially, etc etc .....

It's just one more corporate invasion of our lives without our consent (similar to GMO in that).

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Can we have a civilized talk about the U.S. water fluoridation industry? [View all] JackRiddler Aug 2014 OP

I wish marions ghost Aug 2014 #1

Well, this is a start. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #2

Water marions ghost Aug 2014 #3

Antifluoridation crankery is like global warming denialism. alarimer Aug 2014 #4

1) Please address the DMFT country comparison. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #5

I won't because it's bullshit. alarimer Aug 2014 #52

The DMFT data are a "conspiracy theory," you say? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Aug 2014 #117

That piece really says it all. HuckleB Aug 2014 #25

I'm not. alarimer Aug 2014 #54

I didn't know Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, Malaysia, and Israel were Anglosphere. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #6

They're not OECD. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #13

Map comes from Wikipedia as well. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #17

France = 3% natural fluoridation. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #22

You can't discuss water fluoridation without considering precious bodily fluids Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #7

Apparently not for you. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #9

Damned square Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #12

Gentlemen, You Can�t Fight In Here! This is General Discussion! Dr. Strange Aug 2014 #80

! Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #81

I've never seen such behavior in General Discussion. longship Aug 2014 #85

Now THAT... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #88

Are you serious? This is DU. If you need to be informed, 'no', closeupready Aug 2014 #8

You seem civilized about this. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #10

I subscribe to the "always question authority" school of thought. closeupready Aug 2014 #11

A light reading suggests that water fluoridation is most useful for people who don�t get other forms Chathamization Aug 2014 #14

Sounds like an argument for targeted health measures. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #16

Ideally? Perhaps. But I suspect that poor access to healthcare in the US might make broader efforts Chathamization Aug 2014 #18

It's totemic. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #32

Water fluoridation is one of the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century... SidDithers Aug 2014 #15

Exactly. HuckleB Aug 2014 #19

It's difficult to discuss because of the cray cray REP Aug 2014 #23

The "industrial waste" argument is a classic anti-fluoride trope. HuckleB Aug 2014 #29

It's been a while, but I don't recall hearing the fertilizer source REP Aug 2014 #31

Fluoride is processed from the byproducts of phosphate mines csziggy Aug 2014 #40

I'm not sure why you responded. HuckleB Aug 2014 #43

I posted facts as I know them from growing up with phosphate experts csziggy Aug 2014 #46

Uh, you posted stuff from conspiracy sites, while ignoring the content of my post. HuckleB Aug 2014 #47

Here you go - the Merck Manual is hardly a conspirarcy site csziggy Aug 2014 #49

The dose makes the poison. HuckleB Aug 2014 #57

When did I claim otherwise? csziggy Aug 2014 #69

When did you not claim otherwise? HuckleB Aug 2014 #72

THE REALITY, not to be confused with actual fact which may vary. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #108

Are you saying actual facts support anti-fluoridationists? HuckleB Aug 2014 #110

where Sid, do they get the flouride that's put in the water? wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #84

I don't think so taught_me_patience Aug 2014 #20

Sigh. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #21

If I read it right, it's not anti-fluoride; it's concern about the source of that fluoride REP Aug 2014 #24

Very true. HuckleB Aug 2014 #26

Do the countries that do not have fluoridation plans procon Aug 2014 #27

That tends to be the case, yes. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #30

I've seen studies that go both ways, ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #28

This really angers me. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #90

Ha! nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #97

I've always been pro-fluoridation bhikkhu Aug 2014 #33

Fluoridation is not a water treatment. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #41

Fluoride helps to prevent tooth decay bhikkhu Aug 2014 #48

You are mistaken. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #50

Yes. Indeed. But you'll never convince an anti-fluoridationist. HuckleB Aug 2014 #68

Apparently its another massive conspiracy... bhikkhu Aug 2014 #75

But, but, but... HuckleB Aug 2014 #77

Those poor toothless Germans! JackRiddler Aug 2014 #82

We have pretty thorough health information for most of the countries in question bhikkhu Aug 2014 #86

The pretense that 1 ppm fluoride is separable as a factor... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #89

Cholera outbreak? Really? WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #112

That's pne thing we don't have to worry about, because of government water standards bhikkhu Aug 2014 #121

Fluoride has nothing to do with preventing water-borne diseases. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #128

Well understood bhikkhu Aug 2014 #129

My doctor had this book laying on his desk the last time I was there Holly_Hobby Aug 2014 #34

Even an MD can fall for pseudoscience. HuckleB Aug 2014 #35

Absolutely. Holly_Hobby Aug 2014 #36

There's no need to take that seriously, you know. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #39

It's always hard to know. HuckleB Aug 2014 #44

"In the age of Internet." JackRiddler Aug 2014 #55

Far fewer people were exposed to conspiracy BS. HuckleB Aug 2014 #58

How old are you? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #61

My age has nothing to do with anything related to this discussion. HuckleB Aug 2014 #63

Because you don't seem to have any idea what people were like... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #65

Ah, you've offered another baseless claim. HuckleB Aug 2014 #66

I think I've understood your formula. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #70

Awwwwww. HuckleB Aug 2014 #71

Even easier for a persona on DU to spread bullshit. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #38

The consensus of evidence shows that fluoridation is safe and effective. HuckleB Aug 2014 #42

The consensus of evidence as understood in most countries JackRiddler Aug 2014 #51

Hogwash. HuckleB Aug 2014 #56

Thank you for kicking this important thread. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #59

I understand that you think passing along bad information is important. HuckleB Aug 2014 #60

On this thread? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #62

It has, and it has. HuckleB Aug 2014 #64

Your behavior is outrageously dishonest. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #67

I'm not the one who is dishonest. HuckleB Aug 2014 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Aug 2014 #118

Yes. It's very easy for a person on DU to spread bullshit...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #45

So glad I own a private well. - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #37

Well laundry_queen Aug 2014 #74

And the scientific evidence supports your observations. HuckleB Aug 2014 #79

That doesn't mean laundry_queen Aug 2014 #83

Yes, questioning is good. HuckleB Aug 2014 #87

The question is answered. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #92

Repeating the same old anti-fluoride nonsense doesn't change reality. HuckleB Aug 2014 #94

Why do you repeat the same old dishonest nonsense? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #98

I've debunked your conspiracy theory. HuckleB Aug 2014 #100

You live in an imaginary universe. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #101

LOL!!!!! HuckleB Aug 2014 #103

Thank you for kicking this important thread. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #104

I engaged. You didn't like the fact that your concerns were not valid. HuckleB Aug 2014 #106

+1 JackRiddler Aug 2014 #130

What about DMFT among older populations? sorcrow Aug 2014 #76

DMFT in Japan JackRiddler Aug 2014 #78

Translation: Civilized discussion = a discussion where everyone agrees with Meeeeeee! FSogol Aug 2014 #91

Nope. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #93

Exactly! Please buy into a pet conspiracy theory! HuckleB Aug 2014 #95

Just dust off an old conspiracy theory. Precious bodily fluids! FSogol Aug 2014 #96

At all costs, avoid mentioning Germany, France, Scandinavia... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #99

Great topic. I do not drink tap water or use fluoride toothpaste. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #102

The Hitler thing is a myth. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #105

And there is no basis for any of the other anti-fluoride claims either. HuckleB Aug 2014 #107

Sue today's Germans (and French etc.) for thinking otherwise. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #109

You do realize that you are running through every anti-fluoride trope, right? HuckleB Aug 2014 #111

Harvard study citing potential for neurotoxicity for children. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #113

Context is everything. HuckleB Aug 2014 #114

Yeah- WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #115

I see that you failed to understand the reality. HuckleB Aug 2014 #116

Yes this is what you reference. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #119

I love it. HuckleB Aug 2014 #120

"water fluoridation levels at the levels used around the world." JackRiddler Aug 2014 #124

And yet another pointless response. HuckleB Aug 2014 #126

Thank you for kicking this important thread. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #127

What other chemicals can we add to the water to help out? TampaAnimusVortex Aug 2014 #122

Do you mean for teeth, or for water-borne diseases? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #125

Why not put in any chemicals that can help people? TampaAnimusVortex Aug 2014 #131

Great point! Famously there's already Prozac(tm) in there. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #132

Looks like a correlation. What's the causation? BadgerKid Aug 2014 #123