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46. Are you being sarcastic? If not, this is pretty sad.

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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:07 AM

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Why does Belle Knox consider herself a feminist? [View all] Harmony Blue Aug 2014 OP

Because stupid people believe stupid things. graegoyle Aug 2014 #1

I consider myself Queen of Bakerfield. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #2

Yes, but I think you are the Queen of Bakerfield too, so that's different. Your majesty. Squinch Aug 2014 #37

omg ... I really did just LOL. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #40

. Squinch Aug 2014 #42

Of course it doesn't make it so... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #60

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #61

And continue in that pose until I deem it proper to rise... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #63

Please note the lack of S in my Bakerfield. From one Monarch to another - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #64

Actually, I don't live there...I'm a monarch in abstentia! joeybee12 Aug 2014 #67

mea culpa ... lol Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #70

Nice to meet you, your highness. hifiguy Aug 2014 #122

I'm not sure I agree with you 100% on your policework there, Lou. opiate69 Aug 2014 #3

Anyone can label themselves anything. So what? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #4

I don't know. Ask her or at least read her writing. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #5

There's a thought. Squinch Aug 2014 #38

I've never heard Sasha Grey say porn ruined her life... Chan790 Aug 2014 #6

Yeah, OK, but did she have to join Peta? Sheeesh. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #13

She's been distancing herself for business reasons. joshcryer Aug 2014 #15

Kinds of proves she is pretty smart. Atman Aug 2014 #39

Chelsea's wrong a couple of times even in her first paragraph. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #77

Like most professions LittleBlue Aug 2014 #7

Yes! My god, the condescending attitude towards sex workers disgusts me freeplessinseattle Aug 2014 #8

Some of them don't accept the concept of choice LittleBlue Aug 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Aug 2014 #41

LOL ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #151

That's the problem with not actually reading people's arguments BainsBane Aug 2014 #12

Because maybe they think women are driven into it by the patriarchy? treestar Aug 2014 #66

How are they "driven" into a job that pays well and allows them to be their own boss? freeplessinseattle Aug 2014 #76

You've clearly ignored the points people have made BainsBane Aug 2014 #94

According to the woman herself, it pays pretty well... hughee99 Aug 2014 #137

It pays well and they are their own boss? treestar Aug 2014 #99

Maybe she feels that women should be able to choose their paths in life PersonNumber503602 Aug 2014 #10

Don't know, probably because of her ability to disassociate. seaglass Aug 2014 #11

These types don't give even a fraction of a shit. redqueen Aug 2014 #23

Just wanted to say thank you for posting this here. redqueen Aug 2014 #26

Disassociation = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #32

Oh look. Still no responses from the sex industry's valiant defenders. redqueen Aug 2014 #68

Wow! STILL nothing? redqueen Aug 2014 #79

Oh, probably just a bunch of people have me on ignore. I'm sure that's it. n/t seaglass Aug 2014 #81

If the RAH RAH PORN YAY dumbassery continues I might have to make it an OP. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #82

That is REALLY sad marions ghost Aug 2014 #91

Of course, a truly empowered woman must be ashamed of her sexuality and not consume porn. Kurska Aug 2014 #14

Link to where anyone here said anything like that, please. Squinch Aug 2014 #44

Oh it isn't phrased like that Kurska Aug 2014 #78

So you can't link to anywhere where anyone said anything like that. Thanks. Squinch Aug 2014 #85

Isn't like we're in a thread that questions if a woman can be a feminists who have a positive Kurska Aug 2014 #104

So, confirming, you can't link to any such statements. Squinch Aug 2014 #114

You want an example of someone dictating feminist's sexuality for them Kurska Aug 2014 #116

Uh-huh. So no link. Squinch Aug 2014 #117

Would I need to provide you a link to the flowers when you're in the garden? n/t Kurska Aug 2014 #119

Right. So there is no link to a post where anyone said anything like what you describe. Squinch Aug 2014 #120

Call outs, get hidden Kurska Aug 2014 #121

Got it. You can't provide a link to anyone saying anything like what you describe. Squinch Aug 2014 #134

Call outs get hidden Kurska Aug 2014 #135

So let's review the posts that say what you describe: Oh, right. There are none. Squinch Aug 2014 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author opiate69 Aug 2014 #129

Predatory Payday Lenders are fully consensual contracts between two adults. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #176

Yeah, cause reasonable restrictions on otherwise allowed activities (like maximum interest rate). Kurska Aug 2014 #182

Careful now... That much straw is a fire hazard... nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #102

she gets more attention that way n/t Scout Aug 2014 #16

Different people have different experiences gollygee Aug 2014 #17

That too. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #103

They don't live in a binary world where there are only two answers? Rex Aug 2014 #18

Different experiences cause different opinions Bettie Aug 2014 #19

Why do minors inevitably come up when there are discussions of pornography and prostitution here? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #20

I noticed that as well. I think the reason is simple: The Straight Story Aug 2014 #21

It seems they want to infantalize men and women DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #22

See posts 24 and 48... alp227 Aug 2014 #93

Prostitution can't be separated from minors and sex trafficking gollygee Aug 2014 #24

Bill O'Reilly uses that same argument to oppose the legalization of marijuana DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #25

Massive logic fail. redqueen Aug 2014 #27

their only hope is that false analogy TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #28

The flailing desperation in their dozens of threads is palpable. redqueen Aug 2014 #31

So only popular activities should be legal ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #35

Hope you don't wait around for an answer. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #164

It's ironic when one's hypocrisy is pointed out DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #168

Well, don't get me wrong- I think the prohibitionist/law enforcement approach to "drugs" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #175

I am not in favor of the criminalization of drugs either. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #178

Agreed on all points. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #179

Your ad hominem is showing. (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #29

and those laws have certainly solved the problem, right? TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #33

I don't know how we went from discussing consensual sex to a murder spree... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #45

"Should be legal" =/= "is A-OK" necessarily. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #29

Prostitution is open and legal in Amsterdam Yavin4 Aug 2014 #34

Google gives this = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #43

I've read through a few of the links and I don't see any documented evidence or proof Yavin4 Aug 2014 #47

first link Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #48

That article mentions a study from the ILO but that's misleading Yavin4 Aug 2014 #50

third link (and by the way. I am done with you and this) Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #51

You still have not provided proof, just conjecture. I've found an actual study that contradicts you Yavin4 Aug 2014 #54

omg ... done. Done. DONE. so DONE. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #55

... opiate69 Aug 2014 #65

... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #72

because that is NOT the Discussion. Never has been. Legal, consenting, sound minded, ADULTS is NOT Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #73

... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #74

Here BainsBane Aug 2014 #75

Popular Claims vs. Evidence-Based Conclusions in Human Trafficking Yavin4 Aug 2014 #83

YOu are working very hard here to believe in fairy tales. I bet you believe they are working Squinch Aug 2014 #84

in other words BainsBane Aug 2014 #86

No. I posted a link to an academic discussion which disputes your claims. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #89

There is admittedly some controversy (and uncertainty). nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #108

Are you being sarcastic? If not, this is pretty sad. Squinch Aug 2014 #46

He isn't and it is. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #49

I don't necessarily oppose legalization, mind you, but there is evidence (as noted downthread) nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #106

The "evidence" is in dispute, not clear cut. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #107

Even if it's only a possibility, isn't it worth thinking about/discussing? Considering the gravity nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #109

There's a possibility of increased addictions when you make marijuana legal Yavin4 Aug 2014 #111

I can agree with that, in general. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #112

Prostitution is not buying/selling human bodies Yavin4 Aug 2014 #113

So how can one perform a sexual service without using their body? Rex Aug 2014 #124

Is a masseuse selling her body? Yavin4 Aug 2014 #126

Yes but we are talking about sex, that is what the sub-thread is about. Rex Aug 2014 #127

There are other professions where people "sell" their bodies Yavin4 Aug 2014 #128

Because they are not having sex for money. They are selling their talents. Rex Aug 2014 #130

If you are using your body in a performance, then it's not "selling" your body. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #131

Well it is a physical activity, no doubt. But it is not a sport. Rex Aug 2014 #132

Because minors are common in prostitution BainsBane Aug 2014 #53

I understand this DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #57

And the ones who insistently pretend that these facts aren't related to these industries... redqueen Aug 2014 #69

Because it's an easier argument to win. jeff47 Aug 2014 #56

I can't think of lot of things that are more messed up than human trafficking... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #59

It's a way to invalidate the choices of adults LittleBlue Aug 2014 #58

Some feminists are doing what the GOP congress did in the late 1990s davidn3600 Aug 2014 #62

Because people can't or wont formulate arguments against consenting adult behavior Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #87

Are you asking if a feminist can only be anti-porn? Iron Man Aug 2014 #52

Because, whether you respect her decision or not... LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #71

According to my various women studies classes, ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #80

Because she can call herself whatever she wants. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #88

I AM NOT MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! opiate69 Aug 2014 #92

I marevel at your single-minded determination BainsBane Aug 2014 #95

Sort of like the single-minded determination to make arguments about consenting adults Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #96

Yr one of the few DUers I've seen touch on the root issue.... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #98

Thanks for linking to that interview VC, it was interesting. I don't know who Stoya is but she seaglass Aug 2014 #115

My daugter's a bit of a fan of Stoya... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #149

She knows she's privileged. And she doesn't pretend that porn is feminist because she chose it. redqueen Aug 2014 #156

Yes, because something may be personally empowering does not mean it's empowering for women seaglass Aug 2014 #166

You mean the irritating people who talk about prostitution as it really is? BainsBane Aug 2014 #100

"you mean...." you do realize, there, you did it again? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #101

You don't have a position BainsBane Aug 2014 #139

And--- again. I'm gonna point it out because I think you may genuinely not realize you're doing it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #141

I didn't mention it because I don't think RQ can hold her own BainsBane Aug 2014 #142

Again, talking past each other, I'll only make three points and make them brief: Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #143

Your use of quotation marks around "feminists" was quite clear BainsBane Aug 2014 #144

I've told you at least 7 or 8 times that you keep putting words in other people's mouths Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #147

Your words BainsBane Aug 2014 #150

And if the quotes meant what you are asserting they mean, then I'm calling the people who disagree Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #155

I'm a feminist and I don't agree with you at all... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #145

Did I say you had to agree with me? BainsBane Aug 2014 #146

Last time I checked this is a discussion forum where people disagree all the time... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #148

The reactions of you and 2nd wavers to folks like Violet and LadyHawkAZ are interesting, stevenleser Aug 2014 #152

Bullshit BainsBane Aug 2014 #153

Your link YET AGAIN confirms my point. In fact, you only addressed one of my 5 main points. stevenleser Aug 2014 #154

Why do you think that matters? redqueen Aug 2014 #157

Why do I think being trafficked to country B is probably just as bad as country A? stevenleser Aug 2014 #158

No, I didn't ask you if it was just as bad. redqueen Aug 2014 #159

No, what you are proposing does not do that. It does not limit the markets. stevenleser Aug 2014 #160

One would imagine people are heading to CO and WA to buy pot right now, too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #162

How could I possibly give a response that is not gender-biased? BainsBane Aug 2014 #181

That is an interesting dodge so let me give you an answer you cannot dodge. stevenleser Aug 2014 #184

There's no way to prove a negative mythology Aug 2014 #189

Thats not the issue. The issue is exceeding the boundaries of a studies results. stevenleser Aug 2014 #191

A few points... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #165

Since you know prostitution is a local issue BainsBane Aug 2014 #180

There's a few flaws in what you posted... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #183

Well said. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #161

And, TBH, it *CAN* be empowering.....in the right circumstances. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #90

I share your ambivalence, to a large extent. And I don't pretend to have definitive answers. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #110

My buddy eschews internet debates and discussions DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #97

And then there are the posters who completely distort the viewpoint of others kcr Aug 2014 #118

+1 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #138

So when Icelandic pols actually did call for a ban & some people here went nuts in celebration Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #163

At some point in time, in a country far, far away, a ban was proposed. redqueen Aug 2014 #169

Yes, far in the mists of time, like last year or so. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #193

Know what the best thing about talking to one's own self is? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #194

it can be summed up in the old acronym hifiguy Aug 2014 #123

Maybe she gets to be a feminist because... brooklynite Aug 2014 #125

Hmm...false dilemma there. alp227 Aug 2014 #133

The dogma of Choice Feminism says any choice a woman makes MUST NOT BE CRITICIZED redqueen Aug 2014 #170

Here is Sasha Grey commenting on the Belle Knox empowerment jakeXT Aug 2014 #140

"even though women wield more power in porn and are paid more," redqueen Aug 2014 #171

I wonder how the industry is surviving at the moment and competing against free jakeXT Aug 2014 #173

The idea that female porn performers make the most money in the industry is bullshit. redqueen Aug 2014 #174

All people are creatures of their society. And Western society has become pornographied. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #167

Belle Knox was beaten and spat on in her first job as a porn 'star'. redqueen Aug 2014 #172

Did I say anything about a dress code? I said what disparate cultures want of females. The West pays WinkyDink Aug 2014 #185

No, what's surprising is that anyone continues to try to flog that ridiculous false equivalence. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #186

Because pornography has little to do with feminism Android3.14 Aug 2014 #177

but what about people who get off on telling other people what not to get off on? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #187

People tolerate that kink just fine Android3.14 Aug 2014 #188

Like when Rick Santorum tried to get me into wool sweater vests. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #190

Exactly! Android3.14 Aug 2014 #192