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The Velveteen Ocelot

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46. Yes, in most cases. More honey, less vinegar.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 04:37 PM
Aug 2014

The goal of the right-wing hate radio ranters is not to convert others to their positions but to reinforce and strengthen their listeners' already-existing biases. I don't think listening to Beck or Limbaugh (if I could stand to do that) could ever turn me into a teabagger because they just piss me off. My point is simply that if you want to change peoples' beliefs you don't start out by telling them they are stupid because they will shut you out immediately. There are ways of challenging someone's religious beliefs, and maybe making them think about whether they really should be believed, that don't involve sneering at them as being foolish superstitions. Or, you can just let them be, which is my choice. If someone sincerely believes that when you die you get to be the god of your own planet, why should I care as long as they don't pester me about it? Mormons believe this, and I think it's awfully damn weird and ridiculous; but there's no skin off my butt if they believe it, and I'm not going to waste my time telling them I think their religion is weird and ridiculous because I know my opinion will not change their belief.

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I don't believe in Atheist TV. Atman Aug 2014 #1
That's the problem with an organized religion. onehandle Aug 2014 #2
Except atheism isn't a religion. phil89 Aug 2014 #3
They build buildings, they have gatherings, they have leaders, they have whole channels... onehandle Aug 2014 #6
Atheism is a religion the way the lack of measles is a disease. Orrex Aug 2014 #13
You mean like the DNC? nt Logical Aug 2014 #45
if that group gets large enough it would become one leftyohiolib Aug 2014 #7
Well, a lot of atheists (including myself at times) NuclearDem Aug 2014 #12
Right, it is more like a cult. nt. Rex Aug 2014 #34
My biggest problem is with the Fundys. Archae Aug 2014 #5
Yep. Fundy extremists give belief, or non-belief a bad name. nt onehandle Aug 2014 #9
I watched it a bit..seemed fine..mostly the science of evolution..I know how to change a channel... Tikki Aug 2014 #4
It's a user created Youtube channel tkmorris Aug 2014 #8
I do not like 'Evangelical Athiests' AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #10
The only atheist program I view on any regular basis is The Atheist Experience. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #11
That's the only one I follow regularly pokerfan Aug 2014 #33
I liked Godless Bitches, by the same group, but it's on hiatus until further notice. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #40
I don't care for Christian TV channels either. riqster Aug 2014 #14
LOL..."Presbo". Iggo Aug 2014 #20
Nobody ever had their mind changed The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2014 #15
"they tend to treat religious people as stupid and superstitious" yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2014 #24
I don't think they're 'stupid'. That is an unfair blanket statement. However, ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #28
"they tend to treat religious people as stupid and superstitious" Scootaloo Aug 2014 #32
Yes when you put it that way it does sound pretty stupid. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #39
Thank you! Jamaal510 Aug 2014 #35
So in other words... MindPilot Aug 2014 #37
So being gentle and accommodating is the best way to change minds? alp227 Aug 2014 #38
Yes, in most cases. More honey, less vinegar. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2014 #46
What are the political implications of this issue? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #16
We have a secular government, despite all the screaming from the Fundys. Archae Aug 2014 #18
What are the political implications of Christmas being just another day? Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #41
You are right I shouldn't have posted that. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #42
I thought a benefit of being an atheist was that we didn't have to go to meetings or join clubs NightWatcher Aug 2014 #17
Hitchens was an asshole. Archae Aug 2014 #19
Never liked that old drunk. zappaman Aug 2014 #27
He was also a brilliant speaker who, I believe, transformed the RadiationTherapy Aug 2014 #31
As an atheist who holds more liberal ideals than conservative ones. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #21
I can't imagine a reason to watch a channel on non-belief. MineralMan Aug 2014 #22
There you are. You don't believe something; that's not hard to understand. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2014 #43
I have no real problem with organizations of atheists. MineralMan Aug 2014 #44
My Madalyn Murray O'Hair story TexasProgresive Aug 2014 #23
I have had several encounter with O'Hair -- all of them unpleasant. MindPilot Aug 2014 #36
Seems to me like watching something like that would defeat the purpose of being an atheist to begin madokie Aug 2014 #25
I prefer Bill Maher's and Richard Dawkin's discussions on religion. Iron Man Aug 2014 #26
Me neither. I fully expect my TV to pray for me. cui bono Aug 2014 #29
Anything that keeps religion out of Government I'm for! yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2014 #30
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