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zipplewrath

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50. A variation

Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:12 PM

Dec 2011

Last edited Thu Dec 22, 2011, 08:53 AM - Edit history (1)

"The insurance companies were supposed to love health care reform, but they're fighting the rules and trying to repeal it."

There are parts they love, and parts they don't. They'll always try to change the parts they don't.

"Wall Street executives were going to love President Obama, but they're whining and calling him mean."

So he gave them trillions and got nothing for it. You'd think he'd learn sooner or later. Did the same thing with HCR. Passed what Krugman and Obama refer to as a GOP inspired piece of legislation, including items that the GOP proposed, and didn't get any GOP support in the process.

"The President was accused of being against the repeal of DADT, but he ended the policy and the ban of gays in the military."

Actually, he was "accused" of dragging his feet, which he did. He was accused of not stopping the expulsions until the repeal was passed, (which he could) which he did. He was accused of asking congress to wait and delay implimenting the repeal until the bigots in the military could finish their study (and congress complied). And his strategy of attaching it to the funding bill failed, and a few senators rescued it at the last minute by creating a stand alone bill (well as stand alone as they get these days).

"It was rumored that he was going to destroy Social Security, but he hasn't."

It's been "rumored" (if him stating it in public can be considered a "rumor" ) that he was willing to put cuts and restructuring "on the table". There's not reason to believe he won't again.

"He's been accused of wanting to destroy Medicare, but he has strengthened it."

For various values of "strengthen". He's cut costs to the feds.

"President Obama was accused of not wanting to end the Iraq war, but he has."

He was accused of execting the Bush SOFA instead of keeping his campaign promise, which he did.
He was accused of trying to negotiated an extension of our occupation but couldn't get Iraq to agree to the conditions, which he did.

But keep up the straw men.

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Stuff that never happened [View all] ProSense Dec 2011 OP

... comipinko Dec 2011 #1

Aren't a lot of these things Congressional jobs?? RockaFowler Dec 2011 #2

as opposed to the OP?? LOL comipinko Dec 2011 #5

You said he didn't do these things RockaFowler Dec 2011 #20

These days, lobbyists write much of the legislation. tclambert Dec 2011 #94

But the Executive branch is powerless if something bad happens. A Simple Game Dec 2011 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author paranoid floyd Dec 2011 #74

all failures are the fault of congress.. frylock Dec 2011 #9

Is that in the "pledge"?? comipinko Dec 2011 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Hutzpa Dec 2011 #28

"lemon" comipinko Dec 2011 #30

My badness Hutzpa Dec 2011 #31

OK, try this one: comipinko Dec 2011 #32

lol Hutzpa Dec 2011 #36

Whereas all problems are blamed on Obama treestar Dec 2011 #37

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #83

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #107

Fascism was here before Obama. tonybgood Dec 2011 #108

+1 Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #52

AND, the slogan was "Yes WE Can". DCKit Dec 2011 #81

Ok. Then answer this, please. FedUp_Queer Dec 2011 #84

He signed the repeal of DADT (thus eliminating it- and the ban on gay and lesbian service members) Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #106

That's ProSense Dec 2011 #10

Well, if you are going to post "stuff that never happened" these need to be included. comipinko Dec 2011 #13

No ProSense Dec 2011 #15

Yes. comipinko Dec 2011 #21

Uh, its only been not even 3 yrs. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #33

Well, yeah, but.....ummm... polmaven Dec 2011 #95

That's twice you have stated that the insurance companies don't like the health care reform act. A Simple Game Dec 2011 #101

+1 ThomWV Dec 2011 #26

Well, if you're gonna be PICKY.... tblue Dec 2011 #39

I was trying to be nice. comipinko Dec 2011 #40

Well check this out: tblue Dec 2011 #46

Bush & Cheney haven't done the perpwalk yet.!!! wizstars Dec 2011 #77

But...but...but... MineralMan Dec 2011 #3

re: Healthcare. In any negotiated result there will be cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #4

... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2011 #6

The incessant whining of right-wingers is no proof they're being victimized. Laelth Dec 2011 #7

all industries will whine forever Enrique Dec 2011 #8

He was going to go to war with Iran. tabatha Dec 2011 #11

DU soothsayers' predictions go poof. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #12

Ooh, this is fun! gratuitous Dec 2011 #16

Everything you have listed Hutzpa Dec 2011 #18

The President doesn't swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution? gratuitous Dec 2011 #24

He sure has to protect, preserve and defend the constitution Hutzpa Dec 2011 #34

Wait, you just said that was Congress' job gratuitous Dec 2011 #41

What are you saying? Hutzpa Dec 2011 #76

Well, you said EVERYTHING I listed was Congress' job gratuitous Dec 2011 #82

Sounds like your saying: comipinko Dec 2011 #43

i think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes.. frylock Dec 2011 #61

That was not my statement Hutzpa Dec 2011 #75

So Congress get the credit for health reform? A Simple Game Dec 2011 #103

He protected war criminals and committed war crimes. OnyxCollie Dec 2011 #109

Hmmm? ProSense Dec 2011 #19

right on cue. comipinko Dec 2011 #23

Yes. n/t ProSense Dec 2011 #25

Okie dokie comipinko Dec 2011 #29

hehehe SammyWinstonJack Dec 2011 #72

The moment you blamed Obama over Gitmo, that was a dead giveaway that you are disingenious. phleshdef Dec 2011 #44

Really? Because we're talking about stuff that never happened gratuitous Dec 2011 #65

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #67

You are absolutely right. Number23 Dec 2011 #78

Yeah and if Gitmo were closed tomorrow, it would just be something else. NYC Liberal Dec 2011 #92

Regarding GITMO Tx4obama Dec 2011 #87

You are going to drive his critics nuts Hutzpa Dec 2011 #17

It's already started RockaFowler Dec 2011 #22

I'm still waiting for my promised flying car Brother Buzz Dec 2011 #27

K&R treestar Dec 2011 #35

Obama has raised lots of money from Wall Street. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #38

Hey ! This thread is for stuff that did NOT happen! comipinko Dec 2011 #42

And you know what ProSense Dec 2011 #45

Show me the 2008 graphs. comipinko Dec 2011 #49

Wait ProSense Dec 2011 #56

Wall Street Reform? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL (how's that MF Global working out?) stockholmer Dec 2011 #105

you got nuthin' comipinko Dec 2011 #113

There are plenty of liberals and intellectuals working honest jobs in the financial sector. phleshdef Dec 2011 #48

You seem out of sync with your co-hort. comipinko Dec 2011 #51

Wha? phleshdef Dec 2011 #53

eh? comipinko Dec 2011 #54

Oh I get your response now. It took a moment. phleshdef Dec 2011 #55

I stated no such premise. The OP posted a bunch of alleged facts. I checked one of them. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #58

Even if OP said something wrong (which they didn't), your so called fact check fails. phleshdef Dec 2011 #60

The evidence for the alleged fact is lacking. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #63

The evidence that your data expresses anything about the alleged hatred is lacking. phleshdef Dec 2011 #64

oddly the op put up other data along similar lines to substantiate his claim Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #69

Actually no, the OP posted a graph with the fundraising numbers in it... phleshdef Dec 2011 #73

Thank you! That was delicious! patrice Dec 2011 #85

Some people thought that he would eventually come out in favor of marriage equality Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #47

Statements in support of Civil Rights for ALL Americans are support for marriage equality. He's the patrice Dec 2011 #86

A variation zipplewrath Dec 2011 #50

+1 gratuitous Dec 2011 #66

Nice list. Iggo Dec 2011 #57

"It was rumored that he was going to destroy Social Security, but he hasn't.." Scurrilous Dec 2011 #59

I wonder how many times I read about FrenchieCat Dec 2011 #62

He needs to use the bully pulpit!!1! JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #68

You're right, ProSense Dec 2011 #71

Private insurers think courts will strike down the mandates McCamy Taylor Dec 2011 #70

You cannot strike down the mandates and keep the rest. grantcart Dec 2011 #80

Sounds like a small tax would do the trick and we could all have good medicine madokie Dec 2011 #90

Not a small tax but about 7% employee contribution and 7% employer contribution would - that is what grantcart Dec 2011 #91

Theres lots of things that can be taxed that would be better than payroll only madokie Dec 2011 #93

In Germany everyone pays, so a self employed billionaire would pay 14%. grantcart Dec 2011 #112

He was never going to appoint Elizabeth Warren and the Consumer Protection Agency grantcart Dec 2011 #79

He has been accused also of being a "secret muslim" but hes not. cstanleytech Dec 2011 #88

And I read every f**king one of those here, not in the newspaper madokie Dec 2011 #89

Or you can look at it that health insurance lobbyists were involved mmonk Dec 2011 #96

Stuff that never happened boomerbust Dec 2011 #97

The Dems in WI probably would not want it... Just as they have no candidates for the recall yet... reACTIONary Dec 2011 #110

He was also going to take away all your guns. Ian David Dec 2011 #98

don't forget he wants to kill American citizens. The poor ones go first. Whisp Dec 2011 #100

The Republicans have dedicated their party to defeating Obama regardless of the carnage. olegramps Dec 2011 #102

It's called roughing the ump kenfrequed Dec 2011 #104

Kick Scurrilous Dec 2011 #111