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BlindTiresias

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8. Easily

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:56 PM

Aug 2014

Russia sucked up 80%+ of the German war effort. Without an eastern front to pull away from the consolidation of Europe and the campaign against Britain Nazi Germany would be in a much better position.

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Would Hitler have won World War II if he had left Russia alone? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 OP

did the us build the nukes with help from paperclip scientists? leftyohiolib Aug 2014 #1

No. Octafish Aug 2014 #95

God let's hope not yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #2

Hard to say but Nazism wouldn't have been able leave the Communists alone forever. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #3

Depends what "win" means, but there's a pretty good chance he would have. DanTex Aug 2014 #4

I never understood why he attacked Britain to begin with. former9thward Aug 2014 #12

Not as much of a headache as you might think BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #14

Absolute rubbish. longship Aug 2014 #39

There were collaborators in every state the nazis invaded BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #108

There was no way that Hitler invades Great Britain. longship Aug 2014 #111

Fair enough BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #114

Yup! It sure was an interesting time, though. longship Aug 2014 #115

Nonsense AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #94

harsh treatment yes BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #106

Very true AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #109

for their bank and the location.He got the bank control very first thing of every country he invaded Sunlei Aug 2014 #33

France and England had already declared war Deny and Shred Aug 2014 #53

Yes, but Britain was in no condition to carry on the war by itself. former9thward Aug 2014 #58

Agreed. Deny and Shred Aug 2014 #88

From the accounts I've seen, going after Russia was louis-t Aug 2014 #5

That's what I've read also. Nt newfie11 Aug 2014 #20

If Hitler had not decided to become his own field marshal and general staff, amandabeech Aug 2014 #79

I don't know if he could have avoided war with the Soviet Union aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #6

the war with the soviets was the main event from the start RedRocco Aug 2014 #44

That's right - the war in the east was what Hitler was mainly about aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #50

He could have sent more resources to Africa and taken the Suez Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #7

Easily BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #8

He would have done better to finish with the English first. bemildred Aug 2014 #9

After May, 1940 there was no way Germany was going to finish Great Britain. longship Aug 2014 #82

All the more reason not to take on Russia, I would say. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #84

in all probability, yes. hifiguy Aug 2014 #10

I think it quite possible BainsBane Aug 2014 #11

Many things that could have allowed Hitler to win JPZenger Aug 2014 #13

Hitler's Luftwaffe under Goering made a fatal mistake regarding England aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #21

There were a lot of Nazi sympathizers in the Ukraine aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #32

"In many ways, Hitler was his own worst enemy." Va Lefty Aug 2014 #74

Would Russia have left Germany alone? joeybee12 Aug 2014 #15

Unlikely BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #16

Stalin and Hitler might have had conflict over border nations, but no Soviet invasion JPZenger Aug 2014 #19

yeah I agree BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #22

Yup. Stalin's massive purges of the Soviet military hifiguy Aug 2014 #30

Stalin did go into a three day drunk after Operation Barbarossa DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #59

The three great monsters of the 20th Century hifiguy Aug 2014 #60

Stalin was crazy... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #63

Not only did Stalin refuse to believe intelligence reports brentspeak Aug 2014 #107

Stalin would not have attacked Germany brentspeak Aug 2014 #102

My personal thought has always been in the other direction intaglio Aug 2014 #17

Good question. If Hitler had invaded Russia rather than France in the spring of 1940, pampango Aug 2014 #49

An interesting "what if" I read once ballabosh Aug 2014 #72

I agree. Hitler could have gone from Poland to Stalingrad easily. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2014 #78

It might have made it difficult to later go after England and France aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #81

Hitler's goal was never to "leave Russia alone" Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #18

b Sounds like one of my favorite tactics for Axis and Allies whenever I play Japan TheMightyFavog Aug 2014 #46

Wargame strategy is about the only practical application of this discussion Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #69

It's hard not to take out the Pearl Harbor fleet Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #75

Any invasion of the English island would have resulted in chemical warfare. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #66

Yes, indeed. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #68

Assuming America joined the war? Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #23

Interesting question. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #24

Perhaps. Perhaps also if had listened to his Generals at and after Stalingrad... GusBob Aug 2014 #25

Short answer: no Bad Thoughts Aug 2014 #26

a) if he'd not invaded the Soviet Union, b) if he hadn't declared war on the USA. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #27

I think if he had been able to make some treaty with Stalin, the USA couldn't have stopped him. DanTex Aug 2014 #28

What if the US dropped nukes on Germany? Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #35

I guess it probably would have been, yes. DanTex Aug 2014 #37

The Germans also had an atomic bomb in the works aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #38

It would have been a race to see who could develop them first on a massive industrial scale Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #43

there were no nukes to drop on Germany.. abakan Aug 2014 #62

Well.... Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #70

The german scientist came to White Sands in 46. abakan Aug 2014 #71

The first nuclear bombs were developed and dropped in 1945.... Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #73

According to what I have heard working at White Sands for 10 years. abakan Aug 2014 #76

I think we're talking about two different things Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #77

Signs point to yes rock Aug 2014 #29

Many historians and military experts think so. Cleita Aug 2014 #31

He would have steam rolled over Russia if the weather was better for his (loyal) troops. Sunlei Aug 2014 #34

Also the strategicly monumental blunder of delaying Barbarossa for 6 weeks SQUEE Aug 2014 #48

Hitler also had the chance to take Moscow in the Summer of 1941 but instead he neverforget Aug 2014 #85

millions died in Ukraine. A few brave people hid in caves there, underground for years. Sunlei Aug 2014 #105

Hitler made two huge mistakes. One was invading the Soviet Union. The other was declaring war on the TeamPooka Aug 2014 #36

As long as he never allied himself with the Japanese, most likely. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #40

He might have won if he had listened to his generals during the Russian invasion. StevieM Aug 2014 #41

We still developed the A bomb first Motown_Johnny Aug 2014 #42

If Germany had beaten Britain, the A-Bomb wouldn't have mattered. Xithras Aug 2014 #47

The B-29, which dropped nukes on Japan, had a range of thousands of miles Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #51

It would have never got through. Xithras Aug 2014 #87

LOL! This is some of the craziest conjecture I've ever seen! Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #90

Not conjecture. Xithras Aug 2014 #93

If the Germans were so good at shooting down enemy planes Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #98

The B 29 could have penetrated German airspace sarisataka Aug 2014 #100

night missions Motown_Johnny Aug 2014 #92

It could have (and probably would have) been used Motown_Johnny Aug 2014 #56

The payload was too big and a B-29 would never have gotten airborne... MohRokTah Aug 2014 #67

You could modify a B-24 Motown_Johnny Aug 2014 #91

Considering that 75-80% of German military deaths were on the East Front... Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #45

Marshall was admitting that US and UK were using Russia as a sinkhole Bad Thoughts Aug 2014 #83

He might have won WWII, but he'd lose WWIII against the Soviets shortly afterwards WatermelonRat Aug 2014 #52

If he had left Britain and Russia alone. Yes I think so. LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #54

Unlikely Warpy Aug 2014 #55

It was an absolutely mind-breakingly bad move, from a military strategy perspective. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #57

Only if he had gotten nukes first. quaker bill Aug 2014 #61

Two big questions gyroscope Aug 2014 #64

It might have made the war go longer, leading to even more death, but, no. HuckleB Aug 2014 #65

Even if Hitler left Russia alone NobodyHere Aug 2014 #80

Hitler was a megalomaniac. roamer65 Aug 2014 #86

Overall the question is too simplistic sarisataka Aug 2014 #89

Hitler's mistake was to delay the advance on Dunkirk aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #99

Very possibly. Octafish Aug 2014 #96

He would have run out of oil alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #97

Bingo rickford66 Aug 2014 #101

Hitler's ultimate goal was always to invade the Soviet Union brentspeak Aug 2014 #103

Hatred for Communism was the very reason Hitler entered politics at all. DetlefK Aug 2014 #104

This NT. Ex Lurker Aug 2014 #112

The fascists and the communists hated each other. moondust Aug 2014 #110

He wasn't going to leave the east alone, this was clear from The Second Stone Aug 2014 #113