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logicatwork

(14 posts)
26. Sorry it's long...
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:28 PM
Aug 2014

Put yourselves in these situations. Bear with my stupidity please.

Say your the hunter. You spend quite a sum of money to go to Kenya, fill out the government forms, pay to hunt, etc. You find an elephant which you would like to hunt. The officials in the conservation department determine whether the elephant will be okay to hunt. Usually they base this off of the age, health, and importance of the elephant. With the okay to hunt you kill the elephant. Note that this is all legal. Then you take the ivory and leave the meat for the villagers. What's the deal here? This isn't an immoral hunter. He followed all the rules and helped the native people. Not only that but because of his/her hunting there is a net increase of income in Kenya. Now the native people have an incentive to not poach elephants as otherwise there would be no elephants legal hunting and thus no income from potential legal hunters.

Okay now say you get rid of legal hunting. First of all I can assure you nobody in their right mind would go to Kenya to illegally poach an elephant. Would you spend all that money just to hunt an elephant? So no poachers are not rich trophy hunters they are regular people who actually live there. These people would rather make some money than to let elephants live. So they poach elephants. Don't give me a lame excuse that there are better animals to hunt. If there were then people would be hunting them. This, to the Kenyans, is the best option. However due to the lack of organization the elephants will eventually die out.

Let me say that the death of these elephants does not make me happy. It doesn't. But I sympathize with the Kenyans in the decision that they are making and understand their point of view.

Also do you really think that I'm just a pawn of the rich 1%? Look mom I'm giving excuses for filthy rich greedy hunters! Aren't you proud. No I've given a lot of thought to this and I've come to the realization that hunting is not bad to a certain extent.

Sorry to rant.



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From "I f*cking love science" [View all] geardaddy Aug 2014 OP
Kickin' it for Ain't That The Truth! In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #1
or a rhino horn or whale bones Duppers Aug 2014 #2
Exactly! geardaddy Aug 2014 #17
or plastic MisterP Aug 2014 #23
Plastic... which is killing us all! n/t ReRe Aug 2014 #39
Unless... logicatwork Aug 2014 #3
So that excuses it? LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #4
From what I've heard, poachers only take the tusks and leave the carcass where it lays. pinto Aug 2014 #18
Who are the poachers? logicatwork Aug 2014 #27
"Any relaxation in the enforcement of legislation..." pinto Aug 2014 #28
Yes thank you. logicatwork Aug 2014 #29
from the WWF pinto Aug 2014 #30
You prove my point. logicatwork Aug 2014 #35
Logic...not working... blackspade Aug 2014 #38
:) logicatwork Aug 2014 #42
I'd LOVE to see poachers shot through the skull before they can murder elephants DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #19
I'm with you LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #20
Unless someone can make money off it. Iggo Aug 2014 #21
No excuse. logicatwork Aug 2014 #5
Yes it is an excuse...if all the native animals are killed, what will they hunt? Tikki Aug 2014 #6
You mean it'd make more sense financially to support photo tourism vs shoot to kill tourism? uppityperson Aug 2014 #7
Yes, that would be a sustaining profit. Tikki Aug 2014 #8
They aren't. logicatwork Aug 2014 #9
It has worked for gorillas, to make more money preserving them than killing them uppityperson Aug 2014 #10
Different Animal logicatwork Aug 2014 #12
Same situation and outcome. A few animals remain so how to maximize profits. uppityperson Aug 2014 #15
The focus should be on the ignorant assholes who pay the money in the first place. arcane1 Aug 2014 #11
Kenyans? logicatwork Aug 2014 #13
Are you really that naive? LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #16
Hunters logicatwork Aug 2014 #24
Exceptions that prove the rule LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #25
Sorry it's long... logicatwork Aug 2014 #26
Hunting animals that are threatened or critically endangered LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #32
What then? logicatwork Aug 2014 #33
It's a fucking excuse LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #14
Except, unless, it's just that... Iggo Aug 2014 #22
when these intelligent animals are extinct Duppers Aug 2014 #37
Poachers go f*ck yourselves, then eat sh!t and die Blue Owl Aug 2014 #31
+1 million n/t geardaddy Aug 2014 #36
+2 million ReRe Aug 2014 #40
K and R bigwillq Aug 2014 #34
... Duppers Aug 2014 #41
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