Why does Belle Knox consider herself a feminist?

[Warren DeMontague]

101. "you mean...." you do realize, there, you did it again?

I'm sorry, I've mostly said my piece. When I say what I think, I'm "mocking". Again, you don't like what I have to say, so you either have to get indignant about the way I say it, or you try to pretend I'm saying something I'm not.

But I'll respond to a few points herein;

"Raise the standard of living. Right. Like when is that going to happen?"

I don't know. I do know that "livable minimum wage" has gone from far left pipe dream to concrete policy proposal in some cities, in recent years. That's something.
When is prostitution going to be done away with? It's already illegal. And 5 minutes after "mocking" my argument, you suggest that economics in Cuba - although I have to imagine you recognize that Cuba under Castro might not be the best example - had the same effect for the poor there.

"That you say it is enough to..."

And again, followed by something I didn't say.

I don't for a minute think the people who see commodification of sex as sacrosanct want that to go away.

- well, next time I run into someone who 'sees commodification of sex as sacrosanct', I'll ask them. Personally, what I see as sacrosact is the right of consenting adults to make their own damn decisions about their own damn bodies. Maybe that's airy, imaginary theory, but that's the ONLY point I'm making. THANK YOU for saying I can "talk about adult consensual behavior all (I) want", because that's what I'm doing and I'm going to continue to do, whether or not it bugs you. Sorry.

A great deal of prostitution is of underage girls and boys. Many if not most prostitutes start underage.

I've made two, as near as I can count, points about prostitution- one is, I'm not some diehard legalization advocate, in fact I don't know what the answer is-- except, like I said, I think raising standards of living, livable min. wage, etc. would go a long way towards ameliorating the conditions which drive a great deal of economically desperate behavior, not just prostitution.. and two, again, if one wants to compare the mostly legal status of porn in the US with the mostly illegal status of prostitution-- like it or not, the US adult film industry has extensive documentation regulations to ensure everyone is over 18. I realize that flies in the face of oft-repeated hyperbole from some corners, but it is a simple and easily verifiable fact.

You had a first hand account of that in Ism's HOF OP which you clearly made a point of ignoring.

Please explain to me how I'm ignoring it, especially since I've said repeatedly that I'm not necessarily pro-legalization, however I AM sympathetic to arguments that consenting adults should be free to make their own decisions, including economic, with their own bodies? Those two positions may have overlap, but they're not necessarily identical. As for ism's OP, are you saying you want me to come into HoF and post the same consenting adult arguments which folks there repeatedly say drive them up the wall? ....I don't imagine you do.

There is always the argument one poster made that girls as young as nine "willingly choose prostitution as a profession," which he believed made having "sex" with them consensual.

...and why that poster's opinion is my problem, is absooo-fucking-lutely beyond me.

There is no way to find a solution that minimizes harm when people adamantly ignore that harm.

Another statement that sounds legit on the surface, but doesn't, actually, mean anything. Actually, I suspect that there are plenty of ways to find a "solution", from draconian laws and mandatory minimum punishments to legalization and regulation to something else-- and none of those are incumbent upon everyone recognizing anything. They're incumbent upon society taking a different tack with a very old problem. Again, I think the solution- and it would be a solution to many problems, not just this- would best look like a livable minimum wage and a better social safety net. Strict legal punishments for anyone involved with anyone underage, which I believe is an issue which is already taken very seriously in some parts of the country, including the pacific NW which is home to both ism AND myself.

But that particular solution would not address one particular focus from your posts, namely the "ability of men to buy sex". Regardless of what I personally feel about those men- and no, it's not what you would call anything resembling respect or sympathy- the fact is, economic exchanges for sex have been around for a very long time and are not likely to go away any time soon. There are two questions, one is ostensibly moral and one is practical. One would hope that a practical solution that would improve the lives of consenting adult sex workers and protect anyone else- would be the preferable outcome, even if it meant having to deal with a world where the moral issue of "men feeling entitled to buy sex" wasn't eradicated.

I think if you were actually confident in your position on this issue, you would not feel compelled to trivialize the arguments of others. That tells me you can't deal with the arguments as actually articulated and instead feel compelled to create a parody to mock them.

I don't actually have a position, as I've said (although I have full confidence in you to tell me what my position is, anyway) ... is it "mocking" if I laugh at the irony of your second sentence, there?