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In reply to the discussion: Should artists be paid a living wage? [View all]libtodeath
(2,892 posts)15. Laugh at FDR then
It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our peoplewhether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenthis ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.
This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rightsamong them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our nation has grown in size and stature, howeveras our industrial economy expandedthese political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for allregardless of station, race, or creed.
Among these are:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
Americas own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.
http://www.fdrheritage.org/bill_of_rights.htm
This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rightsamong them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our nation has grown in size and stature, howeveras our industrial economy expandedthese political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for allregardless of station, race, or creed.
Among these are:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
Americas own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.
http://www.fdrheritage.org/bill_of_rights.htm
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How many more absolutely lousy artists were there that really needed a career change?
hack89
Apr 2012
#16
No - the money needs to go to education, heath, housing, social safety networks.
hack89
Apr 2012
#23
By that I mean the present system of federal, state and local grants to arts groups
hack89
Apr 2012
#64
So if I label myself an artist, the government should pay me a living wage
aspieextrodinare
Apr 2012
#74
I don't think it right that actual artists should suffer because of a few dishonest folks like you.
Cobalt Violet
Apr 2012
#79
I think the notion that creativity needs to be sacrificed for the sake of a "job" is sad
libtodeath
Apr 2012
#8
I think what you and possibly FDR are missing is that most people are assholes
el_bryanto
Apr 2012
#28
"...let everyone pursue how best they can fill the needs and desire of society"
OneTenthofOnePercent
Apr 2012
#120
So if I've got a decent amount saved up, can I then become an "artist" so I can get the essentials
dkf
Apr 2012
#53
This in an excellent example of why critical thinking should be taught in school...
TalkingDog
Apr 2012
#30
They are in other countries and other cultures. Of course those places provide a social safety net.
TalkingDog
Apr 2012
#27
Every artist has to decide how much of the marketplace s/he will allow into the studio.
rrneck
Apr 2012
#33
Impractical, but we should definitely bring back NEA grants to individual artists
frazzled
Apr 2012
#34
If an artist, artisan, brick layer, dentist, hair stylist, etc. cannot support themselves with their
Opportunityknocks
Apr 2012
#38
If they are just getting a living wage I'd say they need new representation....
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2012
#40
Most artists I know, the ones that stay with it and become successful, make a lot more money
Cleita
Apr 2012
#41
fdr did and around her we still have the post office murals that were painted in the 30s..
madrchsod
Apr 2012
#43
There was a group of painters known as the Florida Highwaymen who did paintings of
Opportunityknocks
Apr 2012
#61
Sure same as everybody else should. Artists are a special breed, I know many, mostly musicians,
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#44
In 1987, some "artist" dropped a crucifix in a jar of urine and photograped it
badtoworse
Apr 2012
#67
So, you would live in a world where market value is the sole determinant of art?
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#77
I would live in a world where market value should be the determinant of what an artist is paid.
badtoworse
Apr 2012
#84
Your idea would mean the world would never have known the beauty of Van Gogh, as just one example.
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#91
No he wasn't. He was, thankfully, sustained by his brother who also didn't like his work.
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#104
I am saying that I don't think the government should decide what is art
aspieextrodinare
Apr 2012
#118
It's not a little program. I think Adam Smith created a brilliant system that taken in whole works,
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#115
You seem like as interesting person. I have 2 questions for you, if you are willing.
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#76