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5. And you have seen how many women who worked in porn have shared examples

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Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:15 AM

Aug 2014

of this kind of treatment.

Documentary filmmakers have seen it first hand.

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The Blue Devil in Miss Belle Knox: Meet Duke Porn Star Miriam Weeks [View all] redqueen Aug 2014 OP

Another porn thread about this woman? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #1

Well spotted! redqueen Aug 2014 #2

Seriously, redqueen....this particular excerpt msanthrope Aug 2014 #8

As a feminist, I'm tired of the widespread abuse, assault, and rape in porn being ignored, redqueen Aug 2014 #11

No...this is a story about an overprivileged, white, Libertarian twit msanthrope Aug 2014 #15

It is a story of a woman who was beaten and spat on at a job. And it was filmed redqueen Aug 2014 #17

"It is a story of a woman who was beaten and spat on at a job." Yet, she stayed in the profession. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #51

Yes, it is misogynistic to criticize an industry in which women are beaten and spat on redqueen Aug 2014 #54

Do you understand fetishes? Yavin4 Aug 2014 #55

Do you understand the word 'no'? redqueen Aug 2014 #57

So your issue is with workplace safety? Ms. Knox isn't complaining to OSHA, and msanthrope Aug 2014 #66

I wonder how she would feel about RQ's characterization of her statements? stevenleser Aug 2014 #71

Why don't you find out why all those other ex porn performers say it about their statements? redqueen Aug 2014 #73

For starters, each interview takes a lot of work just to set up. But, we'll see. stevenleser Aug 2014 #76

My opinion is by far the minority opinion. You would rather interview the pro-industry woman redqueen Aug 2014 #77

Did you even read what I wrote? nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #78

Of course. Have fun backing the multi-billion dollar industry by focusing on its supporters. redqueen Aug 2014 #80

I encourage everyone to read my post #76 and then RQ's responses. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #81

Why aren't you taking Steve up on his offer? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #84

He tried to get me PPRd for saying that people were posting MRA talking points on DU. redqueen Aug 2014 #86

Cite? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #89

It was in Meta, which is gone. I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #92

He's right--serious accusations against DUers without proof should be PPR worthy. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #96

You need proof that MRA talking points are posted here? redqueen Aug 2014 #101

Yes. I do it all the time when someone posts a RW meme....if you accuse someone, cite msanthrope Aug 2014 #108

Exactly. Just like accusing someone of using KKK or Nazi/stormfront talking points. stevenleser Aug 2014 #111

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Sadly, her prodigious posting history suggests she indeed does believe that... opiate69 Aug 2014 #112

Oh she doesn't have to cite, I think willy-nilly accusations of DUers being in hate groups without stevenleser Aug 2014 #93

Did you also contact the admins about your opinion that I should be PPRd for saying redqueen Aug 2014 #97

Several times, not mentioning you specifically. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #104

And are you still confused at all about whether those kinds of talking points are posted here? nt redqueen Aug 2014 #107

Not confused. It's rare. But your accusations of people using them is not rare. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #110

It's rare now. redqueen Aug 2014 #115

It has always been rare to have MRA talking points here. Here are MRA Talking points stevenleser Aug 2014 #123

What do you want a membership card Steven? Do you think you know more than women who are the seaglass Aug 2014 #161

Don't give me that, that is a copout. It's not hard. When we talk about hate groups like stevenleser Aug 2014 #162

How interesting, you dismiss what I say with zero evidence. You had the tools at your fingertips, seaglass Aug 2014 #163

If he is your source that you are citing, you provide the link. Lets see it. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #164

Half an hour later and you still couldn't provide links. I scanned some of his posts. No, he stevenleser Aug 2014 #166

Definitely....maybe you should have redqueen on your show with Ms. Knox. Or she can certainly call msanthrope Aug 2014 #82

See my #76 above. RQ seems to want to namecall and criticize rather than do any work at all. stevenleser Aug 2014 #83

Unsurprising. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #87

And now check out the excuse she is trying to use. But she could accuse me of not wanting to stevenleser Aug 2014 #91

I think there's a bit of a double standard here. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #94

We should never feel sorry for anyone compelled into a decision via the righteous... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #75

Economic coercion? Yes--she had no choice but to do porn in order to pay for Duke. No other msanthrope Aug 2014 #79

Most women in porn aren't doing it to pay for Ivy League educations. But you know that. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #116

We are talking about Ms. Knox. Not other women in porn. I mean, if you wanted to talk about msanthrope Aug 2014 #118

You mean like pretty much everything I wrote after the excerpt? redqueen Aug 2014 #119

You mean where you write about Ms. Knox and waitressing? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #121

Methinks... deaniac21 Aug 2014 #129

You will get those responses, but this is a good OP. Even that .00001% of the girls who are Squinch Aug 2014 #3

And you have seen how many women who worked in porn have shared examples redqueen Aug 2014 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Aug 2014 #4

I consider widespread workplace abuse - including assault and rape - to be a political issue. redqueen Aug 2014 #7

Eh whatever. Calista241 Aug 2014 #6

You just did. nt RiffRandell Aug 2014 #138

Just because I don't approve or disapprove doesn't mean she won't face societal consequences. Calista241 Aug 2014 #149

How do you know? Yavin4 Aug 2014 #9

Because she isn't the only one who has exposed the way this industry operates. redqueen Aug 2014 #10

Let me get this straight... Yavin4 Aug 2014 #30

Not at all. Maybe you should read my comments in the OP again. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #31

How does she know? opiate69 Aug 2014 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author historylovr Aug 2014 #37

What's up with the cutting? joeybee12 Aug 2014 #12

If her measurements are honest - at 5'4", 95 pounds, she has a BMI hedgehog Aug 2014 #14

Yeesh, and she probably looks all those 95 pounds in the mirror joeybee12 Aug 2014 #16

If not porn, what would you suggest to fuel wank sessions? LittleBlue Aug 2014 #18

There is erotica in which oppression and dehumanization is not sexualized. redqueen Aug 2014 #19

That is still porn LittleBlue Aug 2014 #20

Dude, go find someone else to play this game. redqueen Aug 2014 #21

Then forget I said anything about violence LittleBlue Aug 2014 #24

Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing this out!! n/t freeplessinseattle Aug 2014 #43

So porn is not okay but erotica is? Can you point to some acceptable erotica? msanthrope Aug 2014 #147

I'm just going to keep wanking it. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #27

oh my god Scout Aug 2014 #42

Oh, they were LittleBlue Aug 2014 #99

People used to have pointless arguments before the internet, too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #143

Thank god Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #157

So your suggested solution to the "porn problem" is "stop looking at dirty pictures"? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #141

I find your dismissal of her lived experience disturbing and inconsistent with feminist scholarship. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #22

Except I didn't say other jobs were 100% not degrading and harassment-free, did I? nt redqueen Aug 2014 #25

She's done both. She's comparing the two. She's qualified to do that. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #28

No, this is not based on papers I've read. redqueen Aug 2014 #34

You also get, in many of the documentaries... Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #88

Jenna Jameson has plenty of bad things to say about the industry redqueen Aug 2014 #95

Where did I dismiss an opinion? Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #98

Here. redqueen Aug 2014 #100

I think you inferred that then. Because that's not what I said at all. Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #102

What is the point of mentioning their religion? redqueen Aug 2014 #103

I witnessed a legal secretary be called the C-word in an office full of people by a partner Yavin4 Aug 2014 #32

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Many people are. But just like many other types of addicts, they are in denial. redqueen Aug 2014 #26

addiction sucks ass, I hate to admit it finally, but I'm addicted to twerking, can there be help? snooper2 Aug 2014 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #33

When she says "no", and they keep going, what do you call that? nt redqueen Aug 2014 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #36

That's not what happened. They outnumbered her. redqueen Aug 2014 #38

The word abuse is in their title The2ndWheel Aug 2014 #47

I fucking knew it. redqueen Aug 2014 #50

That's what she could've said to "Facial Abuse" before ever going there The2ndWheel Aug 2014 #63

So you think women in porn agree to have their objections ignored? nt redqueen Aug 2014 #69

If they go to a company called Facial Abuse, probably The2ndWheel Aug 2014 #85

IYO, women in porn "probably" agree to have their objections ignored. Got it. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #90

You clearly know I didn't say that The2ndWheel Aug 2014 #105

So only the women in certain fetish porn should expect to have their objections igored? nt redqueen Aug 2014 #106

So why should such companies exist in the first place? alp227 Aug 2014 #137

good questions ... and ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #165

"A woman is free to make her own choices and do whatever she wants with her body... LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #39

Do me a favor and quote where I said she isn't free to do it. redqueen Aug 2014 #40

To be fair, it's brighter than cherry picking an article for inflammatory quotes. LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #70

No, I didn't imply that. You inferred it because it is preferable to acknowedging her assault. redqueen Aug 2014 #74

Uhhh... no. You literally said that her feeling less exploited... LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #130

The problem is, how many women who get into porn make well-informed decisions? alp227 Aug 2014 #59

Let me ask you a question, in your opinion, is it possible for a woman to ever be well-informed... LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #68

What does it matter if they were coerced in the first place? kcr Aug 2014 #113

A few here have implied or said outright that she had no right to expect redqueen Aug 2014 #117

It's unbelievable kcr Aug 2014 #120

If only it were. People's priorities are so revealing, aren't they? nt redqueen Aug 2014 #125

Because, that is not what I asked LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #128

And the question doesn't matter. kcr Aug 2014 #139

The question does matter. I absolutely speaks to the agency of all women... LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #146

Agency does not mean freedom from criticism of whatever thing a person chooses to participate in kcr Aug 2014 #150

Sweat shops are explicitly coercive. Black market organ trafficking is illegal. Porn is neither. LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #151

So you can't criticize things that are legal? kcr Aug 2014 #152

Sad. It is a simple question with a simple answer. LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #155

And I'll answer your question again kcr Aug 2014 #160

unfortunately there's mostly coercion to get into porn alp227 Aug 2014 #136

Again, that is not what I asked. Can a woman make a well-informed decision... LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #145

OK, I should've provided a straight answer. I'd say yes, alp227 Aug 2014 #148

Good. LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #153

You left out the portion of the article where she was flown to L.A. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #41

RTFOP redqueen Aug 2014 #44

As An African American, I see other African Americans do things that I don't like, but... Yavin4 Aug 2014 #48

You must be actively working to miss the point. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #52

And yet your other thread calls for criminalizing a similar sex trade because of misogyny, LadyHawkAZ Aug 2014 #45

No, not criminalizing a similar "sex trade", criminalizing the buying of sex. redqueen Aug 2014 #46

So why not criminalize the buying of porn? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2014 #64

"untrue and delusional" - nice spin redqueen Aug 2014 #67

I didn't figure you'd be able to answer those questions LadyHawkAZ Aug 2014 #144

There are a lot of those sorts of questions, that never seem to get answered. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #167

Thanks for the op redqueen. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #49

My pleasure. I was serious about making this issue clear, whether people want to address it or not. redqueen Aug 2014 #56

Belle Knox's choices, as per the article Yavin4 Aug 2014 #53

You need to re-read the thread. You are still making straw man arguments redqueen Aug 2014 #58

Then what is your point exactly? n/t Yavin4 Aug 2014 #65

Still waiting for the citation for your claim nt redqueen Aug 2014 #109

Unless i'm wrong, she did all this to pay for her college bills. alp227 Aug 2014 #60

You're wrong. She's made enough to pay for college. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #61

Citation please. redqueen Aug 2014 #62

That's an excellent article. Laelth Aug 2014 #142

You can't be serious. LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #72

so i can understand her opinion if she felt she had bad experience as waitress. alp227 Aug 2014 #124

If I could make money in porn, then I would quit my job tomorrow. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #126

So everyone who isn't independently wealthy is a hostage? jeff47 Aug 2014 #122

...and she's being held hostage if she gets a job at the College Bookstore? brooklynite Aug 2014 #127

for the most part, college bookstores don't mistreat workers as much as the porn industry. nt alp227 Aug 2014 #131

I think you missed the part where it was stipulated that she has no right to object to this abuse. redqueen Aug 2014 #132

Wai-wai-wai-wait. What the heck did I miss? nt alp227 Aug 2014 #133

Notice how no other pro-industry posters have shit to say about it, either. redqueen Aug 2014 #134

She could have went to a state college at a fraction of the cost. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #159

People make decisions every day that are either positive or negative. dilby Aug 2014 #135

"precious wank sessions" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #140

Why doesn't she just leave the industry? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #154

2nd to last paragraph in the article... LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #156

I would think that would settle it./nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #158

That part, like, totally doesn't count. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #168