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HuckleB

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114. Context is everything.

Wed Aug 13, 2014, 06:34 PM

Aug 2014

Antifluoridation Bad Science
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/antifluoridation-bad-science/

Does Fluoride Make Your Kids Dumb?
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/the_kids/2013/02/does_fluoride_lower_your_child_s_iq_dr_joseph_mercola_says_yes_on_the_huffington.html

Fluoridated Water Safe To Drink, Harmless To IQ; Will The Evidence Quiet Conspiracy Theorists?
http://www.medicaldaily.com/fluoridated-water-safe-drink-harmless-iq-will-evidence-quiet-conspiracy-theorists-284536

Any more anti-fluoride routines to throw on the fire?

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Can we have a civilized talk about the U.S. water fluoridation industry? [View all] JackRiddler Aug 2014 OP

I wish marions ghost Aug 2014 #1

Well, this is a start. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #2

Water marions ghost Aug 2014 #3

Antifluoridation crankery is like global warming denialism. alarimer Aug 2014 #4

1) Please address the DMFT country comparison. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #5

I won't because it's bullshit. alarimer Aug 2014 #52

The DMFT data are a "conspiracy theory," you say? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Aug 2014 #117

That piece really says it all. HuckleB Aug 2014 #25

I'm not. alarimer Aug 2014 #54

I didn't know Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, Malaysia, and Israel were Anglosphere. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #6

They're not OECD. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #13

Map comes from Wikipedia as well. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #17

France = 3% natural fluoridation. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #22

You can't discuss water fluoridation without considering precious bodily fluids Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #7

Apparently not for you. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #9

Damned square Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #12

Gentlemen, You Can’t Fight In Here! This is General Discussion! Dr. Strange Aug 2014 #80

! Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #81

I've never seen such behavior in General Discussion. longship Aug 2014 #85

Now THAT... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #88

Are you serious? This is DU. If you need to be informed, 'no', closeupready Aug 2014 #8

You seem civilized about this. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #10

I subscribe to the "always question authority" school of thought. closeupready Aug 2014 #11

A light reading suggests that water fluoridation is most useful for people who don’t get other forms Chathamization Aug 2014 #14

Sounds like an argument for targeted health measures. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #16

Ideally? Perhaps. But I suspect that poor access to healthcare in the US might make broader efforts Chathamization Aug 2014 #18

It's totemic. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #32

Water fluoridation is one of the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century... SidDithers Aug 2014 #15

Exactly. HuckleB Aug 2014 #19

It's difficult to discuss because of the cray cray REP Aug 2014 #23

The "industrial waste" argument is a classic anti-fluoride trope. HuckleB Aug 2014 #29

It's been a while, but I don't recall hearing the fertilizer source REP Aug 2014 #31

Fluoride is processed from the byproducts of phosphate mines csziggy Aug 2014 #40

I'm not sure why you responded. HuckleB Aug 2014 #43

I posted facts as I know them from growing up with phosphate experts csziggy Aug 2014 #46

Uh, you posted stuff from conspiracy sites, while ignoring the content of my post. HuckleB Aug 2014 #47

Here you go - the Merck Manual is hardly a conspirarcy site csziggy Aug 2014 #49

The dose makes the poison. HuckleB Aug 2014 #57

When did I claim otherwise? csziggy Aug 2014 #69

When did you not claim otherwise? HuckleB Aug 2014 #72

THE REALITY, not to be confused with actual fact which may vary. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #108

Are you saying actual facts support anti-fluoridationists? HuckleB Aug 2014 #110

where Sid, do they get the flouride that's put in the water? wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #84

I don't think so taught_me_patience Aug 2014 #20

Sigh. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #21

If I read it right, it's not anti-fluoride; it's concern about the source of that fluoride REP Aug 2014 #24

Very true. HuckleB Aug 2014 #26

Do the countries that do not have fluoridation plans procon Aug 2014 #27

That tends to be the case, yes. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #30

I've seen studies that go both ways, ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #28

This really angers me. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #90

Ha! nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #97

I've always been pro-fluoridation bhikkhu Aug 2014 #33

Fluoridation is not a water treatment. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #41

Fluoride helps to prevent tooth decay bhikkhu Aug 2014 #48

You are mistaken. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #50

Yes. Indeed. But you'll never convince an anti-fluoridationist. HuckleB Aug 2014 #68

Apparently its another massive conspiracy... bhikkhu Aug 2014 #75

But, but, but... HuckleB Aug 2014 #77

Those poor toothless Germans! JackRiddler Aug 2014 #82

We have pretty thorough health information for most of the countries in question bhikkhu Aug 2014 #86

The pretense that 1 ppm fluoride is separable as a factor... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #89

Cholera outbreak? Really? WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #112

That's pne thing we don't have to worry about, because of government water standards bhikkhu Aug 2014 #121

Fluoride has nothing to do with preventing water-borne diseases. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #128

Well understood bhikkhu Aug 2014 #129

My doctor had this book laying on his desk the last time I was there Holly_Hobby Aug 2014 #34

Even an MD can fall for pseudoscience. HuckleB Aug 2014 #35

Absolutely. Holly_Hobby Aug 2014 #36

There's no need to take that seriously, you know. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #39

It's always hard to know. HuckleB Aug 2014 #44

"In the age of Internet." JackRiddler Aug 2014 #55

Far fewer people were exposed to conspiracy BS. HuckleB Aug 2014 #58

How old are you? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #61

My age has nothing to do with anything related to this discussion. HuckleB Aug 2014 #63

Because you don't seem to have any idea what people were like... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #65

Ah, you've offered another baseless claim. HuckleB Aug 2014 #66

I think I've understood your formula. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #70

Awwwwww. HuckleB Aug 2014 #71

Even easier for a persona on DU to spread bullshit. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #38

The consensus of evidence shows that fluoridation is safe and effective. HuckleB Aug 2014 #42

The consensus of evidence as understood in most countries JackRiddler Aug 2014 #51

Hogwash. HuckleB Aug 2014 #56

Thank you for kicking this important thread. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #59

I understand that you think passing along bad information is important. HuckleB Aug 2014 #60

On this thread? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #62

It has, and it has. HuckleB Aug 2014 #64

Your behavior is outrageously dishonest. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #67

I'm not the one who is dishonest. HuckleB Aug 2014 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Aug 2014 #118

Yes. It's very easy for a person on DU to spread bullshit...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #45

So glad I own a private well. - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #37

Well laundry_queen Aug 2014 #74

And the scientific evidence supports your observations. HuckleB Aug 2014 #79

That doesn't mean laundry_queen Aug 2014 #83

Yes, questioning is good. HuckleB Aug 2014 #87

The question is answered. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #92

Repeating the same old anti-fluoride nonsense doesn't change reality. HuckleB Aug 2014 #94

Why do you repeat the same old dishonest nonsense? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #98

I've debunked your conspiracy theory. HuckleB Aug 2014 #100

You live in an imaginary universe. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #101

LOL!!!!! HuckleB Aug 2014 #103

Thank you for kicking this important thread. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #104

I engaged. You didn't like the fact that your concerns were not valid. HuckleB Aug 2014 #106

+1 JackRiddler Aug 2014 #130

What about DMFT among older populations? sorcrow Aug 2014 #76

DMFT in Japan JackRiddler Aug 2014 #78

Translation: Civilized discussion = a discussion where everyone agrees with Meeeeeee! FSogol Aug 2014 #91

Nope. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #93

Exactly! Please buy into a pet conspiracy theory! HuckleB Aug 2014 #95

Just dust off an old conspiracy theory. Precious bodily fluids! FSogol Aug 2014 #96

At all costs, avoid mentioning Germany, France, Scandinavia... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #99

Great topic. I do not drink tap water or use fluoride toothpaste. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #102

The Hitler thing is a myth. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #105

And there is no basis for any of the other anti-fluoride claims either. HuckleB Aug 2014 #107

Sue today's Germans (and French etc.) for thinking otherwise. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #109

You do realize that you are running through every anti-fluoride trope, right? HuckleB Aug 2014 #111

Harvard study citing potential for neurotoxicity for children. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #113

Context is everything. HuckleB Aug 2014 #114

Yeah- WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #115

I see that you failed to understand the reality. HuckleB Aug 2014 #116

Yes this is what you reference. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #119

I love it. HuckleB Aug 2014 #120

"water fluoridation levels at the levels used around the world." JackRiddler Aug 2014 #124

And yet another pointless response. HuckleB Aug 2014 #126

Thank you for kicking this important thread. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #127

What other chemicals can we add to the water to help out? TampaAnimusVortex Aug 2014 #122

Do you mean for teeth, or for water-borne diseases? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #125

Why not put in any chemicals that can help people? TampaAnimusVortex Aug 2014 #131

Great point! Famously there's already Prozac(tm) in there. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #132

Looks like a correlation. What's the causation? BadgerKid Aug 2014 #123