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Fri Aug 15, 2014, 07:38 PM

sabbat hunter (6,491 posts)

138. I think that

the term military grade equipment is too broad and ill defined. I don't see any grenade launchers, launch vehicles, guided or ballistic missiles ever having been given to police departments. Nor should they be.. But what else could be considered military grade equipment?
High powered rifles? riot gear (which can be like combat gear in some regards)?

Toxicological agent, if it includes tear gas, is also too broad. Tear gas has been used for a very very long time as a crowd control method, during riots, as a non lethal way of dispersing the rioters. Although it is very rarely used by the police. Does toxicological agents also include pepper spray, another useful non lethal weapon for police officers.

Unarmed, unmanned aerial vehicles can be useful for police, but are they considered military grade equipment?

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182 replies	Author	Time	Post
The entire Democratic leadership opposed Grayson amendment to stop arming cops with DOD weapons [View all]	Report1212	Aug 2014	OP
Big brother carries a big stick.	chrisstopher	Aug 2014	#1
If You Dont Think Grayson Can Win	billhicks76	Aug 2014	#119
Hopefully they don't repeat the same mistake next time. nt	conservaphobe	Aug 2014	#2
They BETTER NOT repeat the same mistake next time.	calimary	Aug 2014	#5
It wasn't much of an issue at the time.	conservaphobe	Aug 2014	#8
Well, it damn well BETTER BE an issue this time.	calimary	Aug 2014	#12
Amen to that	derby378	Aug 2014	#63
These armored vehicles have a price tag of $ 370,000	truedelphi	Aug 2014	#109
All the way on the east coast, I feel for you! We don't usually identify Marin County as anything	maddiemom	Aug 2014	#130
...	Vots	Aug 2014	#21
Possibly. If nearly all the Dems voted in favor.	JoeyT	Aug 2014	#125
Oh, it was an issue, but the yellow stripe down so many Dems'	ChairmanAgnostic	Aug 2014	#23
We need strong police forces...	awoke_in_2003	Aug 2014	#118
It was more kissing campaign contributions from the MIC and police support good-bye than	Dustlawyer	Aug 2014	#132
++++999,999	Vincardog	Aug 2014	#135
Shame?	Jackpine Radical	Aug 2014	#37
I say shame on them for going to this dark place.	calimary	Aug 2014	#43
Mary, I think you misread my meaning.	Jackpine Radical	Aug 2014	#45
Oh, probably...	calimary	Aug 2014	#139
That's so generous of you to call it a "mistake".	cui bono	Aug 2014	#72
+1	woo me with science	Aug 2014	#137
When the people lead, the leaders will follow...	joeybee12	Aug 2014	#3
Most politicians blow with the wind no matter which party. Seldom are politicians that have the	RKP5637	Aug 2014	#7
I agree...sadly...nt	joeybee12	Aug 2014	#11
Most politicians are vitally interested in performing their principal function, which is	Jackpine Radical	Aug 2014	#42
Exactly! Well Said! Thanks!	RKP5637	Aug 2014	#49
Grayson likely referred to Madison when he claimed "...one might venture to say that the weapons	ancianita	Aug 2014	#143
That's why the money has to start coming from us...	Volaris	Aug 2014	#131
...^ that	840high	Aug 2014	#153
I find it interesting that this is one of very few issues that seem	razorman	Aug 2014	#4
+10 nt	99th_Monkey	Aug 2014	#15
RWers support it. Therefore, even if it's right, we must oppose it	RufusTFirefly	Aug 2014	#25
" Democrats did form the bulk of support for the amendment "	redqueen	Aug 2014	#36
Well, specifically, the libertarian quadrants of the political map.	Jackpine Radical	Aug 2014	#47
Since most RW'ers and most of us LW'ers are in the same part of the	truedelphi	Aug 2014	#110
I agree. There are a few issues on which we can find agreement, I think.	razorman	Aug 2014	#171
You're conflating a few different issues	Blue_Tires	Aug 2014	#177
You are right that the issues are very different, although I do not believe	razorman	Aug 2014	#179
When we keep voting for people	onecaliberal	Aug 2014	#6
There's a typo in your title. I'm suspect you meant "Democratic" leadership.	Scuba	Aug 2014	#9
It is time for the entire Democratic leadership to change their mind - they have no right to arm the	jwirr	Aug 2014	#10
"Militarization" is a buzz word.	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#13
LOL....... you forgot the sarcasm meme	Ichingcarpenter	Aug 2014	#14
You sound like an all-or-nothing conservative.	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#29
'You sound like an all-or-nothing conservative	Ichingcarpenter	Aug 2014	#31
It's hard to argue with the logic of the article linked within the linked article:	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#35
You only have to look at what happened when the State Police, not pointing rifles, without snipers,	dbackjon	Aug 2014	#48
How many casualties ...	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#62
the police used that equipment to intimidate the people of	neverforget	Aug 2014	#67
In other words ...	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#69
Nor do you.	dbackjon	Aug 2014	#91
What a smart-alecky comment!	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#93
And you asked a poster above to prove a negative.	Ikonoklast	Aug 2014	#158
In other words, you just don't care about the protesters, just the cops.	neverforget	Aug 2014	#108
That quote is from a LEO, what do you think they are going to say?	cui bono	Aug 2014	#104
The fact that Ferguson's representative Clay voted for the amendment should tell you something	ancianita	Aug 2014	#144
Because in large measure, it IS fucking "black and white."	Jackpine Radical	Aug 2014	#44
You either don't understand the concept of "black-and-white" or you are trying to ...	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#56
Still trying to come up with a response to this one, are ya?	Dark n Stormy Knight	Aug 2014	#116
Indeed	malaise	Aug 2014	#97
Jeff9K - Excuse me but are you new to our planet?	NoMoreRepugs	Aug 2014	#16
Your two posts contradict each other....	KoKo	Aug 2014	#22
"Militarization" includes an extensive array of DEFENSIVE products.	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#39
the DEFENSIVE products are being used for OFFENSE, exclusivley	frylock	Aug 2014	#54
Got any examples?	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#58
compare and contrast..	frylock	Aug 2014	#64
In no way does that prove that ...	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#70
what it does show is that this equipment is entirely unneccessary in this situation	frylock	Aug 2014	#71
You are wrong.	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#78
how does that comport with the demonstrations last night vs wednesday night?	frylock	Aug 2014	#80
YOU should give it a rest.	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#86
what is it that you're afraid of that you would invite tactical units into your neighborhood?	frylock	Aug 2014	#141
Those armored vehicles they created for the Iraq war.	cui bono	Aug 2014	#76
How many people were injured or killed by these vehicles in Ferguson?	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#81
Oh, so now you've upped your ante.	cui bono	Aug 2014	#83
It's YOU that's playing word games.	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#87
No. I am not playing games and I am not defending the militarization of our police forces.	cui bono	Aug 2014	#88
Intimidation factor?	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#95
What grasping at straws is that?	cui bono	Aug 2014	#96
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc?	LanternWaste	Aug 2014	#120
Posse Comitatus	99th_Monkey	Aug 2014	#18
What does that have to do with THIS situation?	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#74
The spirit of this Act is counter to militarizing local police forces.	99th_Monkey	Aug 2014	#90
"safety forces"	IDemo	Aug 2014	#19
You are denying that the police are called "safety forces?"	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#30
Call them purple magic dragons	IDemo	Aug 2014	#34
I think you're missing the bigger picture.	lark	Aug 2014	#20
How many victims of "militarization" have there been in Ferguson?	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#33
none anymore, since the local cops have been relieved of duty	frylock	Aug 2014	#55
How many before that?	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#59
you mean how many were hit with rubber bullets or were subjected to gas canisters?	frylock	Aug 2014	#66
The SAME protestors?	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#89
Wow. You are actually arguing for militarization.	cui bono	Aug 2014	#85
I'm in America.	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#92
Why did you make a point of stating you are in America?	cui bono	Aug 2014	#94
A battleship gifted to coastal city police force...	LanternWaste	Aug 2014	#121
I haven't seen the injury count	lark	Aug 2014	#180
of course you don't..	frylock	Aug 2014	#51
"Better-armed criminals"? Bull. Fucking. Shit.	NickB79	Aug 2014	#126
Safety Forces? Look at this picture (Graphic Warning)	NutmegYankee	Aug 2014	#136
So every small town needs a flame thrower and tank?	drynberg	Aug 2014	#155
States have armies, they're called the National Guard...	Hippo_Tron	Aug 2014	#157
Yay for the Safety Tank!	Marr	Aug 2014	#163
Only 43 Dems and 19 Repubs voted for Grayson's Amendment....	KoKo	Aug 2014	#17
Purge Hillary,Hoyer, Feinstein, Pelosi etc	billhicks76	Aug 2014	#146
Purge Purge Purge Purge Purge Purge them all!	stonecutter357	Aug 2014	#150
Primary Challenges	billhicks76	Aug 2014	#165
too many people only give a shit about looking cool in their Democratic party letterman jacket.	frylock	Aug 2014	#168
I Noticed In College	billhicks76	Aug 2014	#169
.	stonecutter357	Aug 2014	#170
Lame And Worthless	billhicks76	Aug 2014	#172
smug and sanctimonious.	stonecutter357	Aug 2014	#174
Yawn	billhicks76	Aug 2014	#175
Now watch some Right Winger give a list of all Dems that voted for it....	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2014	#24
Sure would be nice if Democrats would act like Democrats (like Grayson, Kucinich, et al)	Roland99	Aug 2014	#26
Ain't that the truth. nt	Nay	Aug 2014	#50
The party labels stay the same while the ideals change. Happened before and it's happening now.	L0oniX	Aug 2014	#101
One corporate party - two faces. Wake up America!	polichick	Aug 2014	#27
Too bad we can't rec posts. nt	awoke_in_2003	Aug 2014	#123
That shows me that Grayson was smarter than	ladjf	Aug 2014	#28
He's a fearless truth teller	Ichingcarpenter	Aug 2014	#32
I, amazed on learning how many small town police departments are being given	maddiemom	Aug 2014	#38
Oh, meant to say: I can't wait for the day our local police force are equipped with tanks to	maddiemom	Aug 2014	#40
Extremely important!	H2O Man	Aug 2014	#41
I certainly hope there's a motion to reconsider	Jack Rabbit	Aug 2014	#46
No Shock At All	colsohlibgal	Aug 2014	#52
let's punish them by voting twice as hard!	MisterP	Aug 2014	#53
GOTV!	frylock	Aug 2014	#57
With the ability of some of the weapons to be purchased there may be times when the extra equipment	Thinkingabout	Aug 2014	#60
A sensible response!	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#65
End the failed drug war and not only will they not need this hardware but we'll find	TheKentuckian	Aug 2014	#159
The incident i was talking aboit was a bank robbery.	Thinkingabout	Aug 2014	#160
Bullshit, semiautomatic weapons have been available for generations. Stop the excuses.	TheKentuckian	Aug 2014	#161
I have not made excuses, this is reality, would you want to step out in a	Thinkingabout	Aug 2014	#162
What movie did you see this in? What you describe is pretty much nonexistent.	TheKentuckian	Aug 2014	#166
Yeas and Nays	merrily	Aug 2014	#61
Thanks for the link!	Dems to Win	Aug 2014	#100
You are welcome. I am of the view that	merrily	Aug 2014	#102
"...even if you somehow know the name and number of the bill"	woo me with science	Aug 2014	#173
There's about 2% difference btwn the DEMS and the GOP, but militarizing the Police Force isn't part	blkmusclmachine	Aug 2014	#68
Alan Grayson,	lovemydog	Aug 2014	#73
k&r	avaistheone1	Aug 2014	#75
DURec	leftstreet	Aug 2014	#77
Follow the money. Look at the congresspersons, then look at their districts.	MADem	Aug 2014	#79
feed the pig	hibbing	Aug 2014	#107
Jobs are usually a factor, but Ferguson's own representative Clay voted for the amendment,	ancianita	Aug 2014	#145
I'll bet there isn't a single pork barrel enterprise	MADem	Aug 2014	#148
Actually, google shows a few within commuting distance of Ferguson.	ancianita	Aug 2014	#151
All politics is local.	MADem	Aug 2014	#152
Just another reason for me to not give the national party the time of day, much less money.	hobbit709	Aug 2014	#82
I wish Grayson would run for President n/t	betterdemsonly	Aug 2014	#84
Has anyone considered the possibility that Grayson's amendment is not a good idea.	JEFF9K	Aug 2014	#98
Yes. I live in Boston, land of the Marathon attack. I considered that and rejected.	merrily	Aug 2014	#103
This party is just about dead to me.	L0oniX	Aug 2014	#99
Barbara Lee speaks for me.	Dems to Win	Aug 2014	#105
She voted no on Iraq, too. (Was that the time she was the only "no" vote in	merrily	Aug 2014	#111
She Voted NO on Afghanistan and Iraq	Dems to Win	Aug 2014	#113
AUMF = War on Terror.	merrily	Aug 2014	#114
I can understand why some Dinos buckled	DonCoquixote	Aug 2014	#106
It was not some DINOs. It was most House Democrats.	merrily	Aug 2014	#112
my point being	DonCoquixote	Aug 2014	#115
None. Same no excuse for all of the House Democrats who voted against it.	merrily	Aug 2014	#124
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Aug 2014	#117
They must vote their oligarchy masters wishes.	riverbendviewgal	Aug 2014	#122
How is the MIC supposed to turn a profit if the Military doesn't "surplus" equipment	Thor_MN	Aug 2014	#127
Once again, thank you Rep. Grayson for continuing to bring common sense to an increasingly insane	maddiemom	Aug 2014	#128
Oxymoron	Fuddnik	Aug 2014	#129
one word... Corruption.	Agony	Aug 2014	#133
Just as with the Iraq war vote, they are all too scared of being	tblue37	Aug 2014	#134
I think that	sabbat hunter	Aug 2014	#138
Grenade launchers are used by police	Savannahmann	Aug 2014	#142
Lets face it folks . . .	another_liberal	Aug 2014	#140
Grayson for President. nt	Zorra	Aug 2014	#147
Corruption	New Deal Liberal	Aug 2014	#149
WTF is wrong with these idiots we put in charge.	SmittynMo	Aug 2014	#154
They are all rat fuckers. Neither side of the aisle care one bit about us little people.	Hotler	Aug 2014	#156
It's clear that neither party is interested in promoting the interests of the common folk.	Liberal_from_va34	Aug 2014	#164
They are also on College Campuses	malaise	Aug 2014	#167
+1 And this Democratic administration has actively resurrected and expanded the programs.	woo me with science	Aug 2014	#176
Sad that so many congresscritters fear the dreaded	Blue_Tires	Aug 2014	#178
kick	woo me with science	Aug 2014	#181
kick	woo me with science	Aug 2014	#182

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