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OrwellwasRight

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116. Try looking up the definition

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:57 PM

Aug 2014

According to the Missouri criminal code:

Missouri Revised Statutes

Chapter 569
Robbery, Arson, Burglary and Related Offenses
Section 569.030

August 28, 2013

Robbery in the second degree.
569.030. 1. A person commits the crime of robbery in the second degree when he forcibly steals property.

2. Robbery in the second degree is a class B felony.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5690000030.HTM

"Forcibly" does not mean you have to have a weapon. And no, just because people think that what he did was not simple shoplifting, they are not looking for an excuse to shoot him. The kid was an unarmed teen. Even if he had murdered 4 people, he should not have been shot. What someone is or is not suspected of doing is not an excuse for a cop to kill him. Appropriate force is determined by the suspect's behavior during the arrest. You can't just go around shooting murder suspects because they "might" be dangerous. Likewise, pretending no force was used against the shopkeeper is ignorant and doesn't portray our side well.

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The "crime" committed by Mike Brown was shoplifting - NOT "stong arm robbery" [View all] CatWoman Aug 2014 OP

I dont think he should have been killed. cwydro Aug 2014 #1

what I saw was the clerk being rebuffed CatWoman Aug 2014 #6

Doesn't matter if clerk grabbed him first. onenote Aug 2014 #105

Certainly not just stealing. 840high Aug 2014 #112

"Rebuffed" LOL maced666 Aug 2014 #136

I agree. If that was him, he committed shoplifting and assault. Chemisse Aug 2014 #92

No! It's rebuffing LOL! maced666 Aug 2014 #137

I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. Chemisse Aug 2014 #142

Didn't look like shoplifting to me Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #2

Shoplifting (also known as boosting, five-finger discount, or shrinkage within the retail industry) CatWoman Aug 2014 #3

WOW! great post. Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #8

Praise from Caesar? CatWoman Aug 2014 #10

You'll have to look I suppose Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #14

found it!! CatWoman Aug 2014 #19

I'm fine. I'm resting... Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #23

:) pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #35

... Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #39

Ed McMahon in da house! CatWoman Aug 2014 #126

nice to meet you Resting CatWoman Aug 2014 #47

Now you're just being sweet, but I'm too old to be green Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #49

same here CatWoman Aug 2014 #53

... Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #60

wikipedia is not the best source for how crimes are defined in Missouri. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #129

Yep. linuxman Aug 2014 #4

I'm sure the courts will allow your statement all the validity and credibility it warrants. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #20

Huh? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #25

Did he take the guys wallet or some item of his person? ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #65

What does that mean, resisting a merchant? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #71

A merchant has the right to detain a person if they ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #72

That is interesting. Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #89

Perhaps assault. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #90

Perhaps Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #96

I am a lawyer. And his actions would amount to robbery in the second degree onenote Aug 2014 #106

According to those definitons, I see where that case could be argued. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #119

I don't think anyone here has even remotely suggested that shooting Brown was justified onenote Aug 2014 #120

Yes. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #123

People are charged with and convicted of forcible (second degree) robbery frequently. onenote Aug 2014 #127

Thanks for the info. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #131

Currently I'm a regulatory attorney and litigator onenote Aug 2014 #132

In Missouri, robbery = theft + violence (e.g. shoving the merchant). n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #130

Still doesn't justify getting shot. tenderfoot Aug 2014 #73

No shit!!! Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #74

Those claiming this incident was "robbery" SaltyBro Aug 2014 #5

BINGO!!! CatWoman Aug 2014 #7

It was robbery wercal Aug 2014 #11

I didn't see a weapon SaltyBro Aug 2014 #12

well CatWoman Aug 2014 #13

Strong arm is a legal term cwydro Aug 2014 #27

and in this case CatWoman Aug 2014 #29

No wercal Aug 2014 #59

"Usually" does not equal "are mandatory for the charge." WinkyDink Aug 2014 #69

Try looking up the definition OrwellwasRight Aug 2014 #116

Bullshit..... Logical Aug 2014 #63

Some of us are trying to clarify what the law is. onenote Aug 2014 #108

Theft + assault = robbery. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #9

FWIW... I was a grocery store clerk in 1983... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #15

In the days before CCTV Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #17

I just saw the CCTV of the convenience store incident... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #18

Which is irrelevant Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #22

Gotcha... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #26

I'm coming from having an actual understanding of the law: Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #28

In what capacity do you have an "understanding of the law"? Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #30

I'm not a cop, if that's what you're asking. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #31

Robbery has different meanings in the law. Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #36

Doesn't matter if he was examined by medical professionals, or not? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #42

I can read... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #43

Are you sure you can? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #46

You didn't clearly say either... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #52

Yes, I did: Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #54

While I agree with that... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #58

Doesn't matter if clerk shoved him first. onenote Aug 2014 #109

Even touching someone without permission can be assault. LisaL Aug 2014 #40

I'm basing what I said on a personal incident 30 years ago. Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #45

The timing of the release of info about the theft has no bearing on the definition of the crime. cui bono Aug 2014 #44

It means a lot - why today if they had this info days ago? Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #50

I means a lot about something OTHER than whether or not this is strong-armed robbery cui bono Aug 2014 #66

Thank You unapatriciated Aug 2014 #16

Those video feeds are damaging yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #76

I saw them unapatriciated Aug 2014 #138

Whether he was a shoplifter, a strong-armed robber, or anything else, Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #21

That's the key point. I'm not one to think the video is totally irrelevant, but shooting someone Hoyt Aug 2014 #32

+1000000 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #93

I think the cops got their damn tapes and stories mixed up. Octafish Aug 2014 #24

Not sure I understand that being the problem facing democracy. JEB Aug 2014 #85

''Money trumps peace'' abroad and at home. Octafish Aug 2014 #134

This morning a local radio host said he had robbed a bank... kentuck Aug 2014 #33

While I have no doubt that the use of the term "strong-armed robbery" is intentional cui bono Aug 2014 #34

I think strong-armed robbery clarifes that it's not armed robbery. LisaL Aug 2014 #38

Yes. And "strong-armed" clarifies that it's not shoplifting. cui bono Aug 2014 #41

The threat of force is sufficient for a robbery charge. name not needed Aug 2014 #56

Britney Spears and (maybe?) Megan Fox. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #75

That's false. LisaL Aug 2014 #37

my op is based on observations from Brown's friends attorney CatWoman Aug 2014 #51

An unbiased source if there ever was one mythology Aug 2014 #79

I tend to not listen to armchair lawyers CatWoman Aug 2014 #111

But you have no problem in being one? onenote Aug 2014 #113

I fail to understand your claim CatWoman Aug 2014 #117

What I saw is an OP that declared (and still declares): onenote Aug 2014 #121

and yet your original response is to my post in which I reference to CatWoman Aug 2014 #122

Could you provide a link? onenote Aug 2014 #125

How about MO. state law? IronGate Aug 2014 #114

Yep it crossed the line when he assualted the clerk, rudolph the red Aug 2014 #55

As far as I know gvstn Aug 2014 #48

Nah it was alleged shoplifting standingtall Aug 2014 #57

Statute from website of lawyer on detaining suspect exboyfil Aug 2014 #62

Apparently a customer called the cops about the robbery. The store clerk did not. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #77

Why might that be? jberryhill Aug 2014 #83

Minor loss, perhaps, and the clerk did not want to deal with all tblue37 Aug 2014 #84

Well said. It's unbelievable how the police are trying to justify this heinous killing. Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #61

They are trying to smear the murder victim, not necessarily "justify." WinkyDink Aug 2014 #70

Killing an unarmed kid is more serious JEB Aug 2014 #64

Who was the kid killed yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #78

Kid or adult, he's just as dead by brutal execution. JEB Aug 2014 #87

Lol. Fair enough yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #133

Your last sentence is a bit silly. But otherwise you're dead-on. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #94

I dont think Winona or Lindsay beat up the clerk on the way out of the store davidn3600 Aug 2014 #67

i notice you said nothing about Megan Fox... Enrique Aug 2014 #68

They are not dead in the street either. JEB Aug 2014 #80

+1 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #95

i shouldn't laugh, this is a serious subject CatWoman Aug 2014 #98

Amidst all this discussion, it's easy to forget JEB Aug 2014 #99

beautiful words CatWoman Aug 2014 #100

Thanks. This whole story and JEB Aug 2014 #102

Thanks. Nor were they twice the size of the clerk; nor did they outweigh him/her by 200 lbs. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2014 #82

When was the clerk beat up. npk Aug 2014 #103

Once Mr. Brown put his hands on the clerk, IronGate Aug 2014 #107

Police always engage in charge inflation Warpy Aug 2014 #81

agreed bigtree Aug 2014 #86

In high school, I shoplifted a Bic lighter from Walgreens. HuckleB Aug 2014 #88

IF the person in the video is Brown then he did commit Strong-Arm robbery rustydog Aug 2014 #91

I heard that Brown's parents said it is him in the video. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #104

And even if a more serious charge might have been possible - based on the CCTV footage - nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #97

unreal Chimeradog Aug 2014 #101

It wasn't petit larceny/theft. IronGate Aug 2014 #110

Egad DustyJoe Aug 2014 #115

Ummm, his parents have already said it's him in the video IronGate Aug 2014 #118

The video is proof a strong arm robbery was commited by whoever is in the video. Lil Missy Aug 2014 #124

And how many of those occurred in Missouri? Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #128

Yeah they keep using that term to scare people. Rex Aug 2014 #135

Exactly. It was shoplifting. Vinca Aug 2014 #139

It was obviously so trivial that the store itself never called the cops MohRokTah Aug 2014 #140

Did you mean to say trivial? It may be that the store owner knew that calling the cops was useless rudolph the red Aug 2014 #141

thank you Chimeradog Aug 2014 #143