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jeff47

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52. No, it wasn't.

Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:54 AM

Aug 2014

The sunshine request was for the incident report for the shooting.

This incident report and corresponding video tape were not part of that request.

The police have still failed to comply with the sunshine request for the incident report for the shooting.

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Strong Arm Robbery, My A**... [View all] kpete Aug 2014 OP

I tried making this point yesterday. k&r Little Star Aug 2014 #1

And it was explained in your thread. pintobean Aug 2014 #5

Based on the images from the camera exboyfil Aug 2014 #2

What does this law you cite say about "STRONG-ARM" robbery? 6000eliot Aug 2014 #3

Robbery or Larceny in 2nd Degree and "Strong Arm" robbery are used interchangeably Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #9

I stand corrected. It doesn't make releasing this report any less sleazy and defamatory. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #43

Why is it sleazy or defamatory? boomer55 Aug 2014 #50

Because it doesn't fit the narrative of Michael Brown being a gentle giant mythology Aug 2014 #100

Because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the brutal murder of this kid. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #101

The modifier is to distinguish it from robbery with a weapon exboyfil Aug 2014 #10

Definition of strong-arm robbery.... CherokeeDem Aug 2014 #14

I don't actually see "strong-arm" in the statute relative to robbery - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #76

and now kpete Aug 2014 #4

For some reason cwydro Aug 2014 #8

Execution is the appropriate punishment for grabbing an arm and stealing $49 of cigars randys1 Aug 2014 #60

Two different questions exboyfil Aug 2014 #65

It sounds more like shoplifting and then an assault treestar Aug 2014 #62

The storekeeper is within his rights to exboyfil Aug 2014 #68

Yes, he did. IronGate Aug 2014 #72

It was shoplift until he used force to resist attempts to stop the crime Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #6

Using scary, technical terms to paint the VICTIM as a thug. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #7

What term would you use? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #11

This information shouldn't have even been made public. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #15

It was released in compliance with the sunshine laws. pintobean Aug 2014 #18

I thought sunshine laws are for governing bodies, not citizens who own their own security tapes. ancianita Aug 2014 #38

It was released by Ferguson police pintobean Aug 2014 #42

Is it common knowledge? I thought I was paying attention. Guess I missed the fact about warrants. ancianita Aug 2014 #44

No, it wasn't. jeff47 Aug 2014 #52

Local media reported that they made the specific pintobean Aug 2014 #57

The point is you can't use the excuse jeff47 Aug 2014 #59

Those reports are part of an active investigation pintobean Aug 2014 #69

Open records laws don't allow withholding it Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #30

But aren't sunshine laws applicable only to governing bodies? Not private owners of tapes? ancianita Aug 2014 #39

When police take tape into evidence it becomes public record Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #41

For that excuse to fly, they'd have to release the incident report for the shooting too jeff47 Aug 2014 #54

Does MO law say 24 hours? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #61

That's what they've been reporting on the TV since this started. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #66

You need to read more about it. nt Logical Aug 2014 #32

Whether he was a thug or committed robbery is not really relevant. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #12

Agreed. Which is why we shouldn't have even been told about this separate incident. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #17

Why? He did assault the clerk and the cop murdered him for no reason... Logical Aug 2014 #34

He was shot in the back with his hands up. Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #48

Trouble reading? Logical Aug 2014 #49

No trouble here Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #91

+1. The video might explain the initial encounter with policeman, but not shooting him in the back. Hoyt Aug 2014 #35

The Ferguson police chief said the cop did not know about the robbery csziggy Aug 2014 #92

I think the incident is relevant, although not a justification for shooting. And, it appears Hoyt Aug 2014 #104

Exactly right. Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #47

Agreed, right wingers use this stuff to distract treestar Aug 2014 #67

Technical terms not needed. cwydro Aug 2014 #13

And the shopkeeper lives to tell the tale. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #16

And you don't like the vocabulary of the law. pintobean Aug 2014 #19

And some people are elated by the murder of Michael Brown. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #20

Who? pintobean Aug 2014 #21

Bull puckey. IronGate Aug 2014 #24

LINKS OR TAKE IT BACK. 840high Aug 2014 #53

I was saying the same thing yesterday SaltyBro Aug 2014 #22

Now, that's blaming the victim. pintobean Aug 2014 #25

The clerk did not have elevate the situation SaltyBro Aug 2014 #28

The clerk did nothing wrong. pintobean Aug 2014 #29

He is within his rights to exboyfil Aug 2014 #31

Really? Shopkeepers should just allow shoplifters free reign? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #33

Yes. jeff47 Aug 2014 #56

Wow, so it's the clerks fault for getting assaulted for doing his job? IronGate Aug 2014 #58

Yes, because it is not his job. In fact, his job requires him to let them go. jeff47 Aug 2014 #63

It is a local market exboyfil Aug 2014 #70

Clerks do break the policy regularly. jeff47 Aug 2014 #79

I grant you the point exboyfil Aug 2014 #83

Actually, it's likely that that low-paid/trained employee would be fired jeff47 Aug 2014 #86

Here is an interesting website exboyfil Aug 2014 #98

It would seem that retail stores like WalMart, Target, Costco, Sams Club, IronGate Aug 2014 #71

Reading. You should try it sometime. jeff47 Aug 2014 #74

And how the hell do you know that this clerk wasn't wearing both hats also? IronGate Aug 2014 #77

Because he's described only as "a clerk". jeff47 Aug 2014 #80

That's sick, blaming the clerk for being shoved. IronGate Aug 2014 #81

How much money were those cigars worth? jeff47 Aug 2014 #84

That is a different question exboyfil Aug 2014 #85

That doesn't excuse you blaming the clerk for what happened to him. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #87

I'm saying the clerk was dumb. That isn't blame. It's being stupid. jeff47 Aug 2014 #88

You did blame him, you said it was his fault, IronGate Aug 2014 #89

Why are you so insistent on excusing stupidity? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #90

I'm not excusing anything. IronGate Aug 2014 #93

Yes, you're desperately trying to justify the clerk being dumb jeff47 Aug 2014 #95

Amazing how you fail in so many ways. IronGate Aug 2014 #99

I have to agree, IronGate pintobean Aug 2014 #102

You're correct, I'm not, IronGate Aug 2014 #103

Who touched who first? jeff47 Aug 2014 #111

No the person doing the stealing started the confrontation mythology Aug 2014 #105

Nope. Time still moves in one direction. jeff47 Aug 2014 #109

The clerk was the aggressor? Abq_Sarah Aug 2014 #113

That's what he's saying. IronGate Aug 2014 #114

The clerk had every right to try to stop a shoplifter. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #37

Ummmm, parents have already acknowledged that it was their son in the video. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #26

Link please SaltyBro Aug 2014 #27

His parents acknowledged that it appeared to be Michael. IronGate Aug 2014 #36

Dorian Johnson's attorney.... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #40

Blaming the clerk? c'mon 840high Aug 2014 #55

Each side is trying to dehumanize the other Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #23

Each "side"? I think the cops dehumanized themselves when they started acting like violent, mindless redqueen Aug 2014 #64

I have worked and lived.. Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #73

No, I'm observing a pattern. redqueen Aug 2014 #78

No, you are interpreting a pattern that is not there Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #82

You keep on not taking a side. redqueen Aug 2014 #94

Exactly Andy823 Aug 2014 #75

All valid points rock Aug 2014 #45

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #46

Doesn't matter 2pooped2pop Aug 2014 #51

I would like to hear the clerk's account of what happened in the store csziggy Aug 2014 #96

Well I feel dumb now Kalidurga Aug 2014 #107

k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #97

Even if it was a strong armed robbery it cannot justify the killing still_one Aug 2014 #106

Ferguson Market prior to looting exboyfil Aug 2014 #108

The cop had no idea of the alleged crime committed. So he shot that kid down in cold blood Rex Aug 2014 #110

I bet Wilson had done worse than that in his past. StarryNite Aug 2014 #112