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jeff47

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74. Reading. You should try it sometime.

Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:37 PM

Aug 2014

Those stores have security personnel - often saddled with "manager" duties too. The security personnel are the ones who detain shoplifters.

The clerks are told they will be fired if they try to detain a shoplifter. They are supposed to notify the security personnel and get out of the way.

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Strong Arm Robbery, My A**... [View all] kpete Aug 2014 OP

I tried making this point yesterday. k&r Little Star Aug 2014 #1

And it was explained in your thread. pintobean Aug 2014 #5

Based on the images from the camera exboyfil Aug 2014 #2

What does this law you cite say about "STRONG-ARM" robbery? 6000eliot Aug 2014 #3

Robbery or Larceny in 2nd Degree and "Strong Arm" robbery are used interchangeably Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #9

I stand corrected. It doesn't make releasing this report any less sleazy and defamatory. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #43

Why is it sleazy or defamatory? boomer55 Aug 2014 #50

Because it doesn't fit the narrative of Michael Brown being a gentle giant mythology Aug 2014 #100

Because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the brutal murder of this kid. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #101

The modifier is to distinguish it from robbery with a weapon exboyfil Aug 2014 #10

Definition of strong-arm robbery.... CherokeeDem Aug 2014 #14

I don't actually see "strong-arm" in the statute relative to robbery - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #76

and now kpete Aug 2014 #4

For some reason cwydro Aug 2014 #8

Execution is the appropriate punishment for grabbing an arm and stealing $49 of cigars randys1 Aug 2014 #60

Two different questions exboyfil Aug 2014 #65

It sounds more like shoplifting and then an assault treestar Aug 2014 #62

The storekeeper is within his rights to exboyfil Aug 2014 #68

Yes, he did. IronGate Aug 2014 #72

It was shoplift until he used force to resist attempts to stop the crime Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #6

Using scary, technical terms to paint the VICTIM as a thug. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #7

What term would you use? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #11

This information shouldn't have even been made public. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #15

It was released in compliance with the sunshine laws. pintobean Aug 2014 #18

I thought sunshine laws are for governing bodies, not citizens who own their own security tapes. ancianita Aug 2014 #38

It was released by Ferguson police pintobean Aug 2014 #42

Is it common knowledge? I thought I was paying attention. Guess I missed the fact about warrants. ancianita Aug 2014 #44

No, it wasn't. jeff47 Aug 2014 #52

Local media reported that they made the specific pintobean Aug 2014 #57

The point is you can't use the excuse jeff47 Aug 2014 #59

Those reports are part of an active investigation pintobean Aug 2014 #69

Open records laws don't allow withholding it Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #30

But aren't sunshine laws applicable only to governing bodies? Not private owners of tapes? ancianita Aug 2014 #39

When police take tape into evidence it becomes public record Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #41

For that excuse to fly, they'd have to release the incident report for the shooting too jeff47 Aug 2014 #54

Does MO law say 24 hours? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #61

That's what they've been reporting on the TV since this started. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #66

You need to read more about it. nt Logical Aug 2014 #32

Whether he was a thug or committed robbery is not really relevant. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #12

Agreed. Which is why we shouldn't have even been told about this separate incident. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #17

Why? He did assault the clerk and the cop murdered him for no reason... Logical Aug 2014 #34

He was shot in the back with his hands up. Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #48

Trouble reading? Logical Aug 2014 #49

No trouble here Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #91

+1. The video might explain the initial encounter with policeman, but not shooting him in the back. Hoyt Aug 2014 #35

The Ferguson police chief said the cop did not know about the robbery csziggy Aug 2014 #92

I think the incident is relevant, although not a justification for shooting. And, it appears Hoyt Aug 2014 #104

Exactly right. Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #47

Agreed, right wingers use this stuff to distract treestar Aug 2014 #67

Technical terms not needed. cwydro Aug 2014 #13

And the shopkeeper lives to tell the tale. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #16

And you don't like the vocabulary of the law. pintobean Aug 2014 #19

And some people are elated by the murder of Michael Brown. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #20

Who? pintobean Aug 2014 #21

Bull puckey. IronGate Aug 2014 #24

LINKS OR TAKE IT BACK. 840high Aug 2014 #53

I was saying the same thing yesterday SaltyBro Aug 2014 #22

Now, that's blaming the victim. pintobean Aug 2014 #25

The clerk did not have elevate the situation SaltyBro Aug 2014 #28

The clerk did nothing wrong. pintobean Aug 2014 #29

He is within his rights to exboyfil Aug 2014 #31

Really? Shopkeepers should just allow shoplifters free reign? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #33

Yes. jeff47 Aug 2014 #56

Wow, so it's the clerks fault for getting assaulted for doing his job? IronGate Aug 2014 #58

Yes, because it is not his job. In fact, his job requires him to let them go. jeff47 Aug 2014 #63

It is a local market exboyfil Aug 2014 #70

Clerks do break the policy regularly. jeff47 Aug 2014 #79

I grant you the point exboyfil Aug 2014 #83

Actually, it's likely that that low-paid/trained employee would be fired jeff47 Aug 2014 #86

Here is an interesting website exboyfil Aug 2014 #98

It would seem that retail stores like WalMart, Target, Costco, Sams Club, IronGate Aug 2014 #71

Reading. You should try it sometime. jeff47 Aug 2014 #74

And how the hell do you know that this clerk wasn't wearing both hats also? IronGate Aug 2014 #77

Because he's described only as "a clerk". jeff47 Aug 2014 #80

That's sick, blaming the clerk for being shoved. IronGate Aug 2014 #81

How much money were those cigars worth? jeff47 Aug 2014 #84

That is a different question exboyfil Aug 2014 #85

That doesn't excuse you blaming the clerk for what happened to him. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #87

I'm saying the clerk was dumb. That isn't blame. It's being stupid. jeff47 Aug 2014 #88

You did blame him, you said it was his fault, IronGate Aug 2014 #89

Why are you so insistent on excusing stupidity? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #90

I'm not excusing anything. IronGate Aug 2014 #93

Yes, you're desperately trying to justify the clerk being dumb jeff47 Aug 2014 #95

Amazing how you fail in so many ways. IronGate Aug 2014 #99

I have to agree, IronGate pintobean Aug 2014 #102

You're correct, I'm not, IronGate Aug 2014 #103

Who touched who first? jeff47 Aug 2014 #111

No the person doing the stealing started the confrontation mythology Aug 2014 #105

Nope. Time still moves in one direction. jeff47 Aug 2014 #109

The clerk was the aggressor? Abq_Sarah Aug 2014 #113

That's what he's saying. IronGate Aug 2014 #114

The clerk had every right to try to stop a shoplifter. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #37

Ummmm, parents have already acknowledged that it was their son in the video. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #26

Link please SaltyBro Aug 2014 #27

His parents acknowledged that it appeared to be Michael. IronGate Aug 2014 #36

Dorian Johnson's attorney.... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #40

Blaming the clerk? c'mon 840high Aug 2014 #55

Each side is trying to dehumanize the other Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #23

Each "side"? I think the cops dehumanized themselves when they started acting like violent, mindless redqueen Aug 2014 #64

I have worked and lived.. Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #73

No, I'm observing a pattern. redqueen Aug 2014 #78

No, you are interpreting a pattern that is not there Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #82

You keep on not taking a side. redqueen Aug 2014 #94

Exactly Andy823 Aug 2014 #75

All valid points rock Aug 2014 #45

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #46

Doesn't matter 2pooped2pop Aug 2014 #51

I would like to hear the clerk's account of what happened in the store csziggy Aug 2014 #96

Well I feel dumb now Kalidurga Aug 2014 #107

k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #97

Even if it was a strong armed robbery it cannot justify the killing still_one Aug 2014 #106

Ferguson Market prior to looting exboyfil Aug 2014 #108

The cop had no idea of the alleged crime committed. So he shot that kid down in cold blood Rex Aug 2014 #110

I bet Wilson had done worse than that in his past. StarryNite Aug 2014 #112