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rhett o rick

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57. Oh plez! If a citizen had done the exact same thing, they would be arrested immediately and

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Sat Aug 16, 2014, 03:00 PM

Aug 2014

in jail while the investigators worked things out. If someone is suspected of a crime they go to jail.

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If Darren Wilson isn't charged with murder, we will have normalized legal police murder. [View all] rhett o rick Aug 2014 OP

I believe he will be charged with something when eyewitness accounts are corroborated by autopsy. Hoyt Aug 2014 #1

Murder or Manslaughter? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #2

Sounds like murder2 to me. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #10

I think it was second degree murder. He pointed the gun and intentionally murdered him. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #13

How is that not First-Degree? Second-degree means with intent only to harm, not kill. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #39

Dont get legal advise from Yahoo Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #77

"Premeditation" doesn't take long, especially when one chooses to shoot multiple times. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #89

In Missouri, 'first degree murder' requires 'deliberation upon the matter'... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #78

A legal analyst on msnbc (I don't remember who) rock Aug 2014 #82

State v. Miller, Missouri Court of Appeals, Western District (2007)... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #84

"no matter how brief." Exactly. The cop DELIBERATED when he shot more than once. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #88

"Deliberation" can be defined as a second or two. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #87

Oh please. I wish DUers would stop with the "First Degree Murder" nonsense. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #125

It's murder BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #133

OMG, look at the comments here: FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #3

holy shit, some real winners there 0rganism Aug 2014 #5

It shows you what we're up against FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #6

looks like about a 50/50 split to me 0rganism Aug 2014 #8

And the newspapers are free to post which ever responses they wish to promote their agenda. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #14

As long as it's an African American, jen63 Aug 2014 #32

ALAIAAA. (But FTR: Rand Paul deplores the militarization of police.) WinkyDink Aug 2014 #40

That is some sick shit people are saying. JEB Aug 2014 #7

i used to argue with people in the commetns section but... Takket Aug 2014 #12

The comments on the live feed last night AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #50

i think an indictment is likely 0rganism Aug 2014 #4

The change of venue request will be huge exboyfil Aug 2014 #29

I am afraid to say Rick, JEB Aug 2014 #9

God had better bless America if cops start thinking they can kill VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #83

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2014 #11

True, although I'm sure Darren Wilson's whereabouts are known. n/t JimDandy Aug 2014 #15

Of course, but why doesn't he get arrested? Why do they allow him to flee? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #19

Hyperbole doesn't help. Neither does Jesse Jackson saying this was a 'state execution'. randome Aug 2014 #16

You call it "hyperbole" but I call it outrage and it's about time for a little. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #17

Internally, the police are working out Wilson's exculpatory narrative, probably. A common practice, ancianita Aug 2014 #21

Yes I am aware. I am objecting to the fact that police-persons can go free pending investigations rhett o rick Aug 2014 #23

Well, what other legal remedy is there? He's out of sight to anyone. What more can be done? ancianita Aug 2014 #24

Lock him up unless he posts bail. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #31

That sweeps aside current treatment practices of those 'in the line of duty.' You want something ancianita Aug 2014 #34

Because all cops are gods. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #35

Not the prevailing interpretation of current practices, nor mine. ancianita Aug 2014 #36

A practicing New York lawyer friend of mine just told me... ancianita Aug 2014 #38

Most police agencies -most communities- are unprepared for something like this. randome Aug 2014 #43

Exactly why my lawyer friend says that he's likely on "modified assignment." ancianita Aug 2014 #47

I think you're missing the irony here: "the police will want to protect the officer and his family," rhett o rick Aug 2014 #59

Oh plez! If a citizen had done the exact same thing, they would be arrested immediately and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #57

Or they get out on bail. randome Aug 2014 #91

Yes, that's the difference. Police have one process, citizens have another because they're different ancianita Aug 2014 #99

"Someone working in security forces doesn't get civilian treatment under the law." rhett o rick Aug 2014 #56

I'm aware, too. But your objection is against decades of civilian acceptance of policy, too. ancianita Aug 2014 #80

Things have changed over the last 30 years. I've seen it first hand. I want them to change back. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #97

Really? Not in my lifetime. But good luck with your wanting. ancianita Aug 2014 #100

Really? Not in your lifetime? You either are young or naive, or both. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #105

What?? At no point were you talking militarization with me. You were talking about the 'irony' I ancianita Aug 2014 #107

AND I've actually recommended changes to prevent such police behavior in the future, IF you've read ancianita Aug 2014 #110

I apologize. I must have completely misunderstood you. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #112

Accepted. And for the record I enjoy reading most of your posts and understand how these events ancianita Aug 2014 #113

Dang, now you're just mocking me. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #114

Those are the rules agreed to with the Police Unions. Calista241 Aug 2014 #63

The apologists for the cop that killed that kid are sad people. Rex Aug 2014 #58

If a citizen is S U S P E C T E D of a crime they go to jail. Not him. Not the "all-mighty" police rhett o rick Aug 2014 #62

Well the apologists stayed zipped lipped when the reporters were arrested. Rex Aug 2014 #64

Authoritarians come in all forms. Some even call themselves Democrats. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #66

Yeah I think they believe they are, but their words sure do betray them. Rex Aug 2014 #67

Oh, good grief. ancianita Aug 2014 #111

Well you are free to ignore my post, but I will keep on pointing it out even Rex Aug 2014 #116

That's my point. You have not once pointed out any "apologist" language. Not once. ancianita Aug 2014 #117

No I don't have to prove anything to you, you just need to actually look Rex Aug 2014 #119

Hm. I looked. Disagreement isn't attempted censoring. Thought you could enlighten me. Nice talk. ancianita Aug 2014 #121

A few thoughts if I may. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #22

Thanks.Relevant context here when mulling practical street consequences of inequality under the law ancianita Aug 2014 #26

Well said... FarPoint Aug 2014 #33

I sure as hell am not excusing anything. randome Aug 2014 #45

"a slightly different process" bobduca Aug 2014 #54

Please point out what you consider "hyperbole." WinkyDink Aug 2014 #41

"State execution". The State had nothing to do with this. randome Aug 2014 #46

Wilson acted under color of state authority. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #48

So did the shooters at Kent State. The soldiers at My Lai. randome Aug 2014 #52

The OP doesn't say a thing about "state execution". Where did you get that out rhett o rick Aug 2014 #65

I mentioned Jesse Jackson's use of the phrase. randome Aug 2014 #92

Wilson's authority is derived from the State. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #73

Those are all FACTS, though. Like other facts, they need to stand or fall on their own. randome Aug 2014 #93

So far we have three eyewitness testimonies. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #94

We don't 'know' anything until testimony is given and evidence gathered. randome Aug 2014 #98

Are you saying we don't know who pulled the trigger? How many times the victim was shot? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #106

I agree. In addition, Wilson could be a danger to himself or his family... randome Aug 2014 #132

Legalized police murder has been the norm... 99Forever Aug 2014 #18

I've read elsewhere that the coroner's report won't be for a few weeks. Quite a delay. ancianita Aug 2014 #20

K/R marmar Aug 2014 #25

They already have, or DW would not feel that he can get away with this sh@#. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #27

I don't think the officer "escaped" or... Mike Nelson Aug 2014 #28

I understand but if a citizen did what he did, they'd be arrested while the rhett o rick Aug 2014 #30

George Zimmerman wasn't immediately arrested davidn3600 Aug 2014 #53

I don't think Zimmy was a good example. If he'd been black and the victim was white, he'd rhett o rick Aug 2014 #70

Not always... the officer will have his/her version of the shooting... Mike Nelson Aug 2014 #69

Really? Savannahmann Aug 2014 #37

A lawyer friend of mine says that common department practice is to put him on modified assignment. ancianita Aug 2014 #44

Proof? Is there "proof" he escaped? I was only offering... Mike Nelson Aug 2014 #68

I think you are confusing "being watched carefully" with "being arrested." Will we get another WinkyDink Aug 2014 #42

My opinion is no attempt to take flight... Mike Nelson Aug 2014 #71

I think your opinion here is correct, but that doesn't make it a sound judgment by the dept. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #90

I am still waiting on dash cam footage NT Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #49

I think we've had police murder without consequences for a long time. merrily Aug 2014 #51

Um you're a little late for that johnlucas Aug 2014 #55

Years too late, been going on a long time...the difference is that his own group allowed Rex Aug 2014 #60

What gets ME down is that this site goes along with authoritarians FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #74

I'm on the side that is right. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #75

True it can get depressing at times. Rex Aug 2014 #76

Most people are describing frustrated civilians, not prescribing authoritarianism. ancianita Aug 2014 #81

Unfortunately it has police murder has been normalized avebury Aug 2014 #61

War is normal when one is militarized isn't it. lonestarnot Aug 2014 #72

It's already normalized. The officers who killed LibDemAlways Aug 2014 #79

As lame as this probably sounds, Kelly Thomas' death was what first got me to tune in to VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #86

That's what sent me over the top also damnedifIknow Aug 2014 #109

I agree that the Kelly Thomas case was horrible, but this case is a perfect example of a police rhett o rick Aug 2014 #115

K&R, for justice... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #85

more of this crap TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #95

If it appears that a crime has been committed, the police will put citizens directly in jail and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #96

probable cause TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #118

I don't want mob rule. I want justice. Once again, if a citizen shot someone they'd be arrested rhett o rick Aug 2014 #120

So are you suggesting any time a cop fires a gun, he/she must be arrested? Kvectk Aug 2014 #126

Since we are guessing what the other is "suggesting", are you suggesting that rhett o rick Aug 2014 #130

No that is not what I'm saying. Kvectk Aug 2014 #134

I would love to see the "multiple reports". Do you count Sean Hannity as one? nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #136

Agreed; Let's Find Out What Happened First sub.theory Aug 2014 #122

You are accusing some of "mob justice" when most just want justice. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #123

Then why accuse the officer of murder? sub.theory Aug 2014 #124

Why does he get to be free during the investigation? If I shot someone that was unarmed, I'd be rhett o rick Aug 2014 #127

o0o0o00o0....."prosecutions"....... Adam051188 Aug 2014 #101

I predict that Wilson will not be prosecuted. Most likely, he won't even be ladjf Aug 2014 #102

the american public has been mentally and emotionally neutered. Adam051188 Aug 2014 #104

I agree. nt ladjf Aug 2014 #108

now that this has gone to the justice department it will also involve violation of civil rights still_one Aug 2014 #103

I thought they would with yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #135

You mean if we don't deal with murdering cops like we dealt with war criminals & election-stealers? villager Aug 2014 #128

Cut to the chase ..... we're toast. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #129

well, the smaller, regional entities coming after climate shifts cause the Empire to break up... villager Aug 2014 #131